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Cimorene ([personal profile] cimorene) wrote2005-07-12 05:28 pm
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I was snuggling a miracle

+ male bisexuality does not exist, psychologists in the us have claimed from [livejournal.com profile] crantz

+ bush & blair comic from scans_daily from [livejournal.com profile] bubosquared

+ chocolate: the exhibition!  chocolate now a science?  from [livejournal.com profile] mirabile_dictu

+ i keep craving french fries.  french fries, arrrgh.  and dead timothy is gone from the corridor.  but the guys two doors down have a big dragon poster in their 6" wide entryway.

+ i lost my recs file.  i updated recently so there was only a bit in it--six sga, maybe, three or four due south, a couple of other things.  but i'm distressed.

+ towels left hanging in the drying room on lines all weekend were still damp today.  i fear mildew. 

+ omg wtf! dvds! [livejournal.com profile] perhael, you really shouldn't've--!

[identity profile] thegoldsky.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
i dont think i've ever met a truly bisexual man. not that that MEANS anything.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
i know! at first i was like '...?' kinda 'oh no more oppression' but... if they actually had them hooked to electrodes like... what is there to say? physical evidence man.

[identity profile] thegoldsky.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah. like i wouldnt want to go as far as saying they don't exist, but my life's experience has shown me that they pretty much don't. all the guys i've ever known who said they were bi wound up admitting later on that they were gay and just didn't want to admit it.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
i dunno if i'm quite willing to buy it all the way yet either, not with a sample size that small. [livejournal.com profile] crantz at least considers himself bi...

T! M! I!

[identity profile] aynatonal.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I suppose it depends on your definition of bisexual, really. To me, the term covers a wide spectrum. Do you enjoy having sex with men and women (whether equally or not)? Then you're bi. Do you feel strong romantic feelings toward someone of the same sex, even if you don't want to boink them? Then as far as I'm concerned, you're bi.

I've got some firsthand experience with a bi guy, since K is one. I don't really talk about this in my own journal, but K will never know if I talk about it here :) I'm not actually sure how K identifies himself, probably as heterosexual at this point, since we're hitched and plan to be monogamous, but before we started dating, K used to regularly engage in teh gay sex. He and I are pretty much opposite in our bi tendencies--my desire for intense emotional intimacy with other women has sometimes spilled over into the physical while K's attraction to men seems to be *strictly* physical. He's never dated a guy, but he used to spend a lot of time in bathhouses. Using this study's parameters (and I think using porn as an indicator of true sexual orientation is crap, anyhow), K responds to both gay and straight porn, thus proving that there is such a thing as a bisexual man, or at least that this study is a load of hooey.

[identity profile] perhael.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
oh, but i did. hee.

i don't think sexuality is as easily classifiable as people make it these days. gay, bi, straight, what does it all mean? (no, don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question. plus, i hate getting into discussion on this point, even if the other person actually agrees with me. i'm weird like that.)

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
no, i understand. it's been talked to death. it's now post-post-post-post-modern or something if you stop to count. :x

but i actually agree with you, i think.

although that article's trying to be scientific, not, like, Teh Humanities or Philosophy of Queer or something.

Re: T! M! I!

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, i agree--porn not a good measurement, and with your things-that-make-someone bi. and also hello, only 101 participants? that's TINY.

but that is interesting.

Re: bi study

[identity profile] devon.livejournal.com 2005-07-12 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, the guy who ran the study has a terrible reputation in academia. He's a nutcase, and not in the good way.

Also, the "evidence of arousal" (aka erections) varied so much that straight men got aroused 20% of the time when looking at gay porn, and gay men got aroused 20% of the time when looking at straight porn. Bi men fell in one of those categories, which really doesn't disprove bisexuality at all.

(yeah - lots of people have been posting about this on my "friends" list.)

Re: bi study

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2005-07-13 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
okay, that makes me feel much better.