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Cimorene ([personal profile] cimorene) wrote2008-04-08 08:38 pm
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Stop Airbrushing My Dudes!

Fic peeves: you know how most people look sort of normal? Of course there's a bell-curve of normal, and movie stars don't map out along the bell curve and tv stars don't either. Some shows are eerie to watch because everyone's really attractive.

But: blockbuster movies do that more than your average weekly primetime show. I mean, yeah, Emily Deschanel and all the women on the CSIs and all the women in the Stargate shows are... pretty hot. But nobody's perfect even so, and there's a wide sample of dudes on tv who are downright funny-looking.

Even when you're in love with someone, and are perfectly convinced that their crooked little nose or their funny lantern-jaw are perfect and would be inferior if they looked more average, you are not under the illusion that these things are perfect. And especially if they're pudgy you're unlikely to think their abdomens look like a washboard, okay.

It's not an insult to say that Blair Sandburg, Duncan MacLeod and Methos, Bodie and Doyle, Starsky and Hutch, etc look knobbly, lopsided, dopey, unibrowed, soft around the middle, or a bit cross-eyed if it's true and it certainly doesn't mean they're not slashy. I mean, it's not like people from all along the bell curve don't fall in love and hook up and have all sorts of sexual preferences!

So, you know, it really, severely throws me out of a story if a pov character who doesn't seem to be unreliable in other aspects, and has a firm grip on reality, suddenly starts saying that someone's hairless when they're hairy, tall when they're average, flawlessly or classically handsome when they're squinty and lopsided or knobbly or hawk-nosed or unibrowed (they might be extraordinarily handsome, of course. Just not classically or flawlessly so), or amber-eyed when their eyes are incontrovertibly green or hazel, or green-eyed when their eyes are brown, or golden-haired when they're a brunette, or milky-pale when they're kind of pleasantly tanned and olive.

I mean, you're not blind, and your readers aren't either. If you have to recast the show in your head, or airbrush the hell out of everything like stretchmarks and love handles on a swimsuit model, before you can get off on the characters getting off - well, okay. I think it's sad, but I can't do anything about it. But what in Bob's name makes you think it's a good idea to change random easily observable visual facts about canon in your fanfiction?
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[identity profile] emmuzka.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This isn't an issue for me in band slash since generally people are described as just "sexy" or "attractive", or short or tall. And I can suspend my disbelief with Panic ;)

It irked the hell out of me in the X-files fandom, though. Because if Fox Mulder is in his early forties, yes, let's write him as soft skinned and bright eyed and generally looking like a twelve year old girl.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I find the younger fandoms and RPS fandoms have less problem with this for some reason. It's like airbrushing has gone out of fashion a bit. If so, thank God for small favours.
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
HP is pretty bad for it, though. Which...sure, it's just books, so you can imagine them however you want, but I think it's pretty unlikely they're all the hottest people anyone's ever laid eyes on, especially ones like Snape and Draco who are described at least somewhat as not that great. And it's one thing when it's the stuff on FFN by really young authors, where character X comes back from summer vacation with a makeover, which is at least acknowledging they weren't all that to begin with, whereas your typical slash story on LJ often assumes they're drop-dead gorgeous from the get-go.

[identity profile] jennaria.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen this in anime fandoms as well -- although given the doujinshi tradition, wherein artists feel free to render anyone and everyone as sweet-faced teenagers, maybe it's a little more explicable.

Still. Blair Sandburg is observably not so small he can practically fit into Jim's pocket, to choose a story example I still haven't forgotten after ten years. If you're changing so many things about the characters that the only resemblance to canon is the names, wouldn't you be better off just writing original fic?

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, agreed. I'd forgotten about that one. I feel it's legit to go with the books - and describe Hermione's bushy hair and buck teeth for example - or to go with the movies, and make Draco clearly based on Tom and Harry on Dan. Or, of course, to go somewhere in between. But Draco being super-muscled and - well- like fanon Draco is just too much. As for Snape... yeah, what can you say about fanon Snape? Nothing but "LOL", pretty much.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
WORD. And the size/height one is the strangest of all when you're talking about tv, where you can, you know, look at the guys standing side-by-side. In the Pros I honestly thought Bodie being "huge" and "lumbering" meant he was like, taller, when in fact, I think the guys are pretty much the same height to within half an inch, and only a size or two apart around the middle.
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The height thing was one of my biggest pet peeves in Vampire Chronicles. Lestat and Louis are described as being about the same height (6' for Lestat and 5'11" for Louis), but there was this one author who was really bad about forcing them into these seme/uke-type roles. Her Louis was short, petit, with huuuuuge eyes, and a cloud of curly hair. Oh, and a pixie face.

I mean...what?

(And I'm suddenly reminded of that one Star Wars fic I read where poor Obi-Wan was described as having curvy hips.)

[identity profile] tilney.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, very, very true. I am reminded of someone's fanart portraying the fanon image of Snape with the smooth, olive skin and silky hair and there's this small comment on the margin: 'Doesn't he look like Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Llewelyn-Bowen)?'. I find it hilarious how characters get twisted out of all recognition to become more conventionally handsome.

[identity profile] saturnalia.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, god yes. So much word.

[identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
ITA. I notice it especially in slash stories where one of the characters is feminized. I recently read an SGA story where McKay was injured and Sheppard picked him up and carried him to the stargate, cradling him like a little kid, and I was like, Um, McKay and Sheppard are the same size and Ronon could barely carry McKay on that one episode.

[identity profile] miriam-heddy.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to comment on the main point, but I had to take a moment to say that I adore LLB (who is kickass gorgeous, but definitely has moments of rabbity-ness).

[identity profile] miriam-heddy.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Word.

I'm having a Spike/Xander renaissance right now, and reading through the archive like an obsessed person, and the sheer number of people who write stories set in the last season of the show but insist on casting a younger, thinner Xander into the role are just driving me batshit. And the people who are writing *post* series stories who insist on giving Xander some sort of horrifying trauma and/or malaria for the sole purpose of justifying their desire to have him be suddenly slender are killing me. Fandom anorexia is just yuck.

[identity profile] norah.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
I know this is no longer your fandom, but when people wrote bandslash and gave the tenors "deep" voices I was always like O.o WTF. THE PATRICK STUMP OF WHOM I AM AWARE DOES NOT SOUND LIKE BARRY WHITE, NOT EVEN A LITTLE, FANDOM.

[identity profile] almostnever.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Reading SGA fic is always funny to me in that respect, because I got into the fandom first and the show a distant second, and though I can see how he's good-looking and all, Sheppard's not my type. So I read a lot of breathless fic descriptions of him as flawlessly smooth-skinned and golden tan and incredibly gorgeous to everyone who witnesses his charm and beauty (while thinking that he should be pretty scarred up by now, his tan varies, and c'mon, he's a nice-looking guy but he's not everyone's type; pleased to meet you, I'm exhibit A).

Then I watch the actual show, and I like Shep a lot in all his kind of nasally laconic obnoxiousness, but charming and beautiful and universally appealing... not so much.

On the other hand, I also hate SGA stories that seem to make excuses about people being attracted to Rodney even though he's supposedly physically oh-so-average or "overweight" or whatever.

Holy shit, what? I know the show makes fat jokes at his expense too, and that's fucked up also, because imo, having a barely-visible stomach and a fleshy chin at forty is not "fat". And it bugs the crap out of me when stories feel like they have to give elaborate other reasons for people to think Rodney is hot because of course they would never find his body sexy. Despite the fact that legions of fangirls demonstrably do find everything about the guy sexy.

So uh... yeah. Rantage, sorry about that. I agree with you, and it goes both ways. The airbrushing sucks, and IMO, making excuses for characters that aren't airbrushed also sucks.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I remember your past posts about that and it's still one of the more sickening examples of this particular problem. I don't know if people realise the message they send by claiming counterfactually that their characters are all slender/muscular/swimsuit-model-ish, but it's the same gobsmacked reaction I get to those airbrushed covers they show of already-skinny and already-gorgeous models, because, I mean, if Nick Brendon the way he actually looks is not good enough, then... who is? It's like that cover where they airbrushed Faith Hill's wrinkles out and actually, like, airbrushed her hands, of all things, which is burned indelibly on my memory. God Forbid a forty-something woman have smile lines.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That one's particularly funny because of how presumably their voices are the, er, salient features of the dudes in question.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! Girlifying Rodney is so bizarre. There was this whole huge... trove... subgenre... (I'm not sure what to call it) at Wraithbait full of small, girly, sensitive, fainting damsel-in-distress Rodney. Of course in a lot of those he was insecure because he was fat, though...

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe I've even read fic where Harry, with the mature eyes of adulthood, discovered that not only was Snape's hair not oily and his skin not sallow, his nose wasn't that big either.

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah. ._. Word to all that too. "It's actually all muscle!" and "But it's his MIND that's attractive" are actually to my mind guilty of the same sin and both labouring under the strange delusion that the way he actually looks is fat and unattractive. I've always found those positions hard to understand when usually other parts of the story tend to imply the author does find him attractive, and if she doesn't, at least you'd think she'd realise that her POV character kind of has to for it to make sense.

[identity profile] tilney.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
He grew up! His perception changed! My family house isn't as big now as when I was seven.

Oh dear. Why even bother with canon at this point.

[identity profile] tilney.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
:))) He's lovely. I love him in 'Changing Rooms'. His deadpan on how horrible this particular shade of puce is always make my day.

[identity profile] marinarusalka.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. In Hercules: the Legendary Journeys fandom, many of us used to complain about "the cult of the pale hunter," in which fanfic writers kept portraying Iolaus as incredibly pale, slender and child-like. Not to mention weepy, helpless, prone to tearful temper-tantrums, and totally vulnerable to any random thug who decided to jump him in the street. Mind you, we're talking about a character who canonically looks like this:

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I have never been able to figure this out...

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[identity profile] sniggs.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to say YES! My main fandom is BtVS with a focus on Giles and it is amazing how many people can look at an actor who's pushing fifty and then write about some buff dude with a six-pack and an unlined face.
Love how you made your argument eloquent and short and avoided rantage, I really enjoyed reading it.
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[personal profile] misslucyjane 2008-04-09 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Off-kilter beauty is the best kind. So, big giant HELL YES.

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