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Cimorene ([personal profile] cimorene) wrote2008-06-08 08:17 pm

follow up to this morning's 'surprise! a racially offensive harry potter badfic!' post

The story where gypsies are actually magical creatures with strange powers who MATE FOR LIFE was mentioned in passing in a post on fandom wank last year here (thanks to [livejournal.com profile] kyuuketsukirui for reminding me), but the post is mainly about a public blow-up that occurred thanks to an equally appalling story about Native Americans (who apparently also mate for life - I guess in Mediocre Harry Potter Fandom Slushpile Land, all non-caucasian/white/whatever races really are animals!). Apparently whatever happened about the gypsy story happened in a locked post, and it isn't summarised. In fact, the post doesn't make clear that gypsies are creatures who mate for life in the story, which is why I didn't remember it in the first place, no doubt.

If you look at the post, though, you'll see that quite a lot of back-and-forth went on about the other story, which had essentially the same issue (plus many other offensive stereotypes in a horrifying sort of Accidentally Pick Up One, Get Ten or Twenty For Free deal). So... either (a) a lot of people are so completely clueless as to be incapable of grasping why OTHER RACES = ANIMALS is offensive even after it's been explained repeatedly, or (b) a small but vocal minority are. Either way, it's pretty nauseating, in that can't-look-away way. I mean, you know that people who are this clueless exist, but it's hard to wrap your brain around it, so you tend to be surprised/revolted/despairing anew every time you run into them.

[identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
all non-caucasian/white/whatever races really are animals!

um -- whut? animals mate for life? Don't tell that to *them*.

Even animals that are said to "mate for life" do so pretty much the way humans "mate for life" -- in other words, "sorta". And, "well, it depends on what you mean by 'for life'".

*Humans* mate for life. (sometimes.)

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I suppose I was saying 'animals' there when what I meant was 'magical creatures'. As far as I know, no magical creatures in HP canon do mate for life, but in fanon whichever magical creature is under the microscope at the moment always seems to.

But I wanted to use 'animals' because magical creatures are animals in many cases, though they may (or sometimes) have human intelligence. I chose the word to highlight/condense the heart of the problem: the alienation and dehumanisation which is an intrinsic part of these stories, even though in most cases the author's intent had more to do with exciting exoticism.

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd be curious to find out who my grandfather actually was. My grandmother is notoriously cagey about it and has changed her story several times. This obviously debunks the mate for life thing, but if my grandfather is the guy she's now claiming he is then I am 2/2 in the "decended from magical creatures" lottery. Ph33r my differentness fuckers!

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you also see the future, share telepathic thoughts/sex with your mate, and seduce anyone you choose by means of a vaguely-described Magickal Dance of Sensual Magickiness that might or might not be like a flamenco?

Because that WOULD be pretty cool...

I did think it an odd coincidence that I ran into this bit of badfic right after that post you made. Offensive badfic - now eerily apropos!

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you also see the future, share telepathic thoughts/sex with your mate, and seduce anyone you choose by means of a vaguely-described Magickal Dance of Sensual Magickiness that might or might not be like a flamenco?

Oh, I'm sure I could if I wanted to ;) Although any Magikal Dance I do will probably be less like a flamenco and more like a beached whale ;)

[identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
It's probably all part of the magick.