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tim roth <3 gary oldman

okay, so gary oldman and tim roth

, so clearly tim roth should play remus! wouldn't that be great? i mean. love... love! it's perfect.

meanwhile someone slash them for me. cause there they were in rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead, having chemistry; and it was so poignant and sad and sweet, and now this, and they're tangled up in my mind.

p.s. do click the cut; the images are too cute for words. AHAHAH an 'explanation'

eta: omg, they've starred together before! and then at imdb.

eta: ahaha, he once starred opposite dougray scott--my pick for remus to star opposite rufus sewell!

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Interestingly, on this side of the pond Roth formed an equally faithful alliance with Gary Oldman, a star with whom he shares more than a passing comparison. Both actors were raised in South London; both made a name for themselves essaying working-class, unstable men (and made their reputation playing punks); and both have excited critics on the other side of the Atlantic with flawless American accents.

They first met 11 years ago while working on Meantime. "Here was this quiet, laid-back, long-haired geezer," recalls Roth, and "after a few weeks of top-secret isolated improvization, in storms this loony skinhead drinking a pint of milk." An on-set improvization saw Oldman hurl the milk bottle at Roth, who threw it back and put Oldman into hospital. To hear Roth tell it, Gary "was really proud of the scar he got, said it suited him really nicely."

Later, the duelling duo took the title roles in the film version of Tom Stoppard's acclaimed stage play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead -- and acted co-star Richard Dreyfuss off the screen. Today, Roth is proud of his mate's success, but points out that he, Roth, made the cover of Sight and Sound first. And, he philosophizes, "I like Gary being up there. The more parts he turns down, the more are likely to come my way." -james cameron-wilson here

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SO ADORABLE. XD
they need to be slashed. in a cute way.

if you write one for me i'll write one for you.

er, um.

oooh, maybe after i watch rosencrantz and giuldenstern are dead. until then, i have the excuse of saying i haven't seen either of them in a year. ^_^

hee. okay.

just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle ficlet, if that makes you feel better! then we would both have motivation to write them and when we were done there'd be a few hundred words of oldman/roth slash in the universe. which would automatically make the universe a more beautiful place, n'est c'pas?

agreed. i'll put it in my "to write" notebook for consideration. :D

(hey, i seem to remember a bath-tub scene. ahem.)

yep. only rosencrantz (gary) is in it, though. and he hides and guildenstern (tim) comes looking for him.

oooh. yay for the joys of creative writing, hmm?
the more i recall (which is very little, actually), the more potential i see there is. at least for something short. i wonder if i can do cute/sweet? i don't think i have before, heh.

hey, i don't care. besides, with a few hundred words only you leave it much open to interpretation!

but yes, there really are. the actors first met in 1983 (i think. uh. yeah. 83) where they co-starred in a tv movie called meantime, in which gary played a skinhead who tim started hanging out with. the movie's about tim's parents' 'increasing concern for him' as he falls under gary's influence. then in 1990, rosencrantz & guildenstern are dead; then in, oh, 1993 or so, gary oldman said in an interview, when asked who he found attractive, tim (among other people, i believe). and tim apparently saw because he was photographed with G.O. I THINK YOU'RE SEXY on his face--i don't have that photo. then gary's photo came next, then tim's GARY OLDMAN LET'S DO IT. when asked why they communicated by writing on body parts gary told someone that that was 'the most convenient way' for them to communicate.

there's this great bit in r&g, the movie, where rosencrantz reaches out and polishes an apple he's about to eat on guildenstern's chest. guildenstern (tim)'s little FACE! oh, MAN, to have the dvd and screencapping software.

that is the best story ever. GARY OLDMAN LET'S DO IT. i mean, that's romance. :D

i like how they always got their own names confused.... i never ended up knowing who was who, though i had a vague idea. so rosencrantz is gary oldman and guildenstern is tim roth. okay. i actually ended up getting the play out at the library today, i couldn't resist. i probably SHOULD resist reading it, at least for tonight, but i can't wait.

if you find caps, you should definetely post them. they are too cute.

i've found like, two. >.

that's just shameful....

i know.

if wax gets her brother to order it for her (play.com wouldn't let me do it because my billing address is in america...wtf? it's a credit card! is not visa international?) she will make caps for us.

awesome! :) i haven't had the chance to get to the video store but even if i could find it, i wouldn't be able to make caps.... and caps are good.

who is wax? i think you've mentioned her before but i don't know.

wax_jism. she lives in finland. she is my better half.

oooh! i've heard of her. i read this one story by her, a faculty slash. i think i sent her a comment raving about it but i didn't hear back. i love that story, heh.

sooo finland, eh? that's awesome. i'm part finnish. awesome culture which i don't know nearly enough about.

how did you two meet?

she never answers fb, and especially not for void. she holds the opinion that there's nothing good to say to it. you know, false modesty vs. bragging vs.... it makes her uncomfortable.

she's not actually finnish--she's part of the two percent swedish-speaking minority.

and we met about two years ago cause i was a fan of hers and she was a fan of mine so we started im'ing. actually she im'd me first.

ah, i see. well that's understandable. it's too bad she never finished the story though...

that's pretty cool! oh and you are applying to go to a university there, eh? that must be really exciting.

the thing is she still plans to finish it, but she's realllllllllllly slow. after a two-year break, the pressure kinda goes up to a fever-pitch.

yes, i'm applying to abo akademi, which is in the city where her brother lives and about 45 minutes from where she lives right now. of course she'd have to move if i got in. we'd get an apartment in the city.

well if she's planning on it, that's good enough for me. i'm patient.... or at least, i tell myself i am.

that's really awesome. i hope you get in! when do you find out?

mmmmmarch maybe?

a month! eep. good luck!

thank you! omg, it IS only a month. for some reason it's like december still in my head ::grin::

i totally know what you mean. i keep writing 2003 and counting months as if it's still the beginning of the year.

i'm not a huge fan of february, so maybe i'm just trying to tell myself it doesn't exist. heh.

heh... but i know i'll get ferrero rocher from my parents on the 14th. that makes it aaalll worth it.

if we spent the time we spend exchanging comments on writing fic you and i would both be pretty prolific. not that i advocate stopping but... yeah.

ferero rocher chocolate??! mmm.

heh. it's true. i wonder about that... i spend so much time doing, um, a lot of nothing, really. but i wouldn't have nearly as many friends if i gave up commenting, so it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make. XD

yes, ferrero rocher's my favorite. mmmh. x.x

true, commenting is much more relaxing than fic-writing. requires less effort. and concentration.

it's the hazelnut and chocolate. that's why i love nutella so much. like, holy liquid ferrero rocher, batman.

way. fic writing takes a lot out of me. when i'm writing one, i'm totally obsessed for, at minimum, a few hours at a time, and i wander around and talk to myself and scribble furiously.... whereas, commenting can be done at the same time as homework. which is a crucial quality, i think.

i think the cream-chocolate filling around the nut inside the wafer IS nutella. same brand and all!

hee. i have no homework as yet. but i comment while i do... like... chatting, reading. not writing. although i do take breaks from writing to check my comments sometimes. i don't exactly talk to myself but writing is a big commitment of mental resources even if you don't write for such a long time. i have to think about it intensely for a while before i start writing, usually.

ha! that would explain a lot. damn i wish we had some in the house....

aaargh homework. i have so much it's just unbelievable. i don't know if it's humanly possible to complete everything in the time i have been given... at least in an acceptable way. but i'm not panicking yet, because i have until friday to do the big thing. but i have to work like crazy. um... and i'm working right now. really. ~_~

i try not to talk to myself, but i do sometimes anyway. or i'll laugh at something stupid i wrote, or something good. i think it's because of the emotional attachment i have to something i'm writing that minute... later, it becomes something i can seperate myself from, but when it's in progress, it's like... me. which is why i hate letting people read things that aren't done. i can hardly stand a beta, even though i know that's necessary, so i force myself to. heh.

senior year of high school always has a big crunch--it's a test, you know? you just have to get through it.

well, i guess the difference is just that i don't talk out loud, cause i know what you mean. and of course you have to laugh at your own jokes WHILE you're writing them. ;) but the secret for beta is to find the perfect one. possibly i am too reliant on mine, but i always feel better after i've talked to her. she's brilliant. she knows what i meant when i don't.

rah. i'm in first year university. (but i should be in senior year of high school, so if you got that from my age then it's understandable.)

you're probably right....

lux__aeterna has beta'd for me once or twice,

kaydeefalls once, and

blythely once. so i don't have a steady beta.... but then, i'm not a steady writer either. i have bursts.... i'll write quite a few in a week, and then stop for another few.

hm, i don't think it was age, i think it was something else. but evidently i just made it up. maybe something like wanting to move away or something?

yeah. it's just luck getting a really good one. and mine won't do all my stories--so still not ideal.

not many people write steadily, i think. fits and starts! it's the way of the world.

probably. i am still living at home and going to the uni in my hometown. but only for this year....

it's not too bad... if i must, i can give it to a friend of mine who is not in fandom or really know anything about fandom... but she does know when something sucks or not, so that's my backup plan.

definetely true. i don't understand those who can sit down and write for a set amount of time each day and just... do that. it doesn't work for me at all. if i decide it's a really good time to write, nothing will come...

it's amusing the contortions one goes through with 'writing time.' i have to psych myself out. i'll often want to write when there's just no way i can. like yesterday when i was too sleepy to get up and write them down, the first lines of a tim roth/gary oldman!

it is amusing.... but it's something i really love, and want to do for the rest of my life. i feel so awesome when i'm writing, even if it stresses me out beyond belief.

i always want to write when i can't. when i am unable to do to, um, substances. and when i'm half asleep. and when i'm in class, or extremely busy.... my brain must hate me. but it's worth it.

yay first lines! :D

oh, but i mean, they came and went away. i woke up and spent an hour trying to remember and fell back asleep. >.<

writing is a really... intense experience, or i should say, can be. finishing a story is fabulous, an unrivalled feeling. well, perhaps if i were another kind of artist, a musician or painter, it could be rivalled by that, but i wouldn't know.

damn. i HATE when that happens.... and it does, a lot. grr. i always try to keep a notebook near my bed but even that doesn't always work.

i adore finishing a story. it's so nice. i'm usually reluctant to go back and edit them once i'm done, because DONE is good.

i think that's true... the feeling i get from writing doesn't compare to when i attempt to draw or play music, which is how i know i'm a writer at heart, not anything else, even though i might wish i could draw sometimes. i can, but i have no passion for it, so i don't practice.

yeah, exactly, me too. i mean, drawing, but having no passion. i enjoy it. and i used to play oboe and i liked it so much that i actually miss it. but it's just not comparable.

oboe! that's so cool. i used to play tenor sax and i do miss it, but i didn't have the passion that i have for writing. i think that would be something i would like to do, but i couldn't devote my whole self to it.

yeah. and i gave up japanese when i realized that to really excel at it as i would wish to, i would have to drop my other 'hobbies,' fandom and writing included, and just study it all the time.

i wouldn't be able to drop writing... though i may eventually drop fandom. if i'm able to write professionally. even then, though, i'm not sure if i would. it's too much fun. in any case, i don't want to now, even if it does take up quite a lot of time.

how far did you get in japanese? i'm trying to learn french but i don't want to be great at it, just good enough that i can have conversations, read it with minimal help from a dictionary, and maybe write a bit.

french should be no problem compared. i mean, i didn't even have to try to learn spanish. half of all vocabulary is cognates and you can frequently translate word for word, the grammar is so similar. i know the same is true of french. i took six years or so of spanish--and i studied japanese desultorily on and off in these once-a-week brief little lessons in high school for a year or so, and then in college freshman year and one semester of sophomore--but i didn't go to class sophomore year.

yeah, so far it hasn't been too terribly hard. i haven't really put a whole lot into it, but when i'm able to i think i'll do better. i already know quite a lot, considering the official second language is french so it's on Everything. in other words, i know most foods and things to do with school in french, but can't really hold a proper conversation (unless it's about eating, hehe.)

a few of my friends are taking japanese now. i take it freshman is first year, and sophomore is second? i'm slowly learning the american terms for these things but i still get confused.

can you speak spanish very well? i wouldn't mind learning that, after french. those two are really similar.

oh yes, freshman is first, sophomore is second. i'd think you'd know that just from movies! wow. my spanish is eh. i mean, i can converse, but... not at a fluent speed. and watching movies or tv i'll miss a lot because i can't follow it at speed. i'd call it competent.

i've heard the words many times from movies, yes, but they never bother to explain... they just say "when i was in freshman year" and expect you to know what year they mean! terribly rude, if you ask me. :)

heh. i don't remember how i first found out. maybe i asked my mom too.

Also, I think Tim Roth was considered for Snape in the HP movies. That would've been interesting.

what someone, maybe

girlcakes, said was that he was the producer's first choice for snape and wasn't interested.

wax_jism tells me he chose planet of the apes over hp so perhaps it wasn't an actual anti-hp feeling. which is heartening, or would be, i mean, because casting him as remus is what they REALLY should have done, and i'm sure pota was done by them. ::sigh::

I think I heard that about Planet of the Apes, too.

And if they'd gone a just bit younger (gone with the age in the books, really), I always thought David Wenham would've been a good Remus.

i've never thought about him. my and

wax_jism's pic when we were writing s/r was dougray scott.

Man. Wastoid older-guy sex suddenly seems more cute than necessary. XD;

::froths:: THEY'RE SO CUTE. THEY MUST HAVE SEX.

*backs up* Yes ma'am. XD

pssst. http://www009.upp.so-net.ne.jp/kuriko/timroth/rosen02.html

they are small and not great quality, but i think they are good reminders!

OMG HOW DID YOU FIND THEM. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR HOURS!

<3 <3 <3

google images. <3 ^_^

but i DID google images! you must have more perseverance or better search terms. (ie intelligence.)

eeee icon.

yeah, i have no idea. sometimes i have a lot of perseverence.... as in, i'll sit there and do one thing for much longer than i should be. so, i guess that's good! O_o

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