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ellen_fremedon and my betamander (k'sal) and myself, among other people, joined a list run by the woman who owns the root of all evil to write a kirk/spock round robin which was supposed to be done in march and eventually just collapsed under the weight of its own suckiness, possibly never to recover. okay, not possibly--probably. we're talking major suckiness. i'm not even going to come close to the plot with a ten foot pole; you can just imagine the silliest plot you can come up with and then add some extra silly elements to it.
so the point isn't to bitch about this woman whom i dislike. although of course i'm not above taking pot-shots. no. ::ahem:: the point is that before the rr collapsed and before the list started decaying, there were some very fascinating discussions--about kirk and spock, the series as a whole, the logistics of various things (like telepathic bonding, the pon farr, how they react to each other--), with some people who are wonderful additions to the genre.
ellen thinks k/s needs new blood. this has got me thinking. there are people who like k/s who have nothing to do with ASCEM and with reason--ASCEM is a dinosaur of a list, full of zine readers and people who produce reafs of bad paris/kim and such, and random discussions and trolls who people respond to. and most of its denizens are old.
okay, so, yes, k/s needs new blood, but i think there are people out there we could talk into it.caribbeanblue, shadowleopard? and i think there are more.
and then i'd make a new-list wishlist, because i think hope is not lost for a k/s list with interesting discussion. who would i want? judith gran, who doesn't write a lot but is invaluable in contributing to discussions. jat sapphire, who's fantastic at crushing trolls and the purveyors of stupid arguments and makes me giggle hysterically. miss sunbeam is witty and urbane and utterly, utterly charming. rae trail is funny and reasonable and a good, if not very prolific, writer.
there are some other people, i think.
mary ellen curtin is never around anymore, but she argues with the best of them. karmen ghia may have vanished, but she's a chekov shipper and that rocks. isla of hope and t'aeneli--who, i believe, are sort of involved in the printzine culture, along with jat sapphire--do not as far as i know, have a history of a lot of chatting on-list, but i'd be interested in their takes on these issues, just going from what i've read of their work. jane skazki contributed quite a bit to discussions.
i don't really know what i'm saying, except that k/s is really my pairing--my one true pairing, even--and that i don't want to see my interest in it die any more than i'd like to see it die for real, and i'd really like to do something about it.
i've just started a new story, anyway--ellen, i'd be delighted if you'd finish yours...
ellen_fremedon and my betamander (k'sal) and myself, among other people, joined a list run by the woman who owns the root of all evil to write a kirk/spock round robin which was supposed to be done in march and eventually just collapsed under the weight of its own suckiness, possibly never to recover. okay, not possibly--probably. we're talking major suckiness. i'm not even going to come close to the plot with a ten foot pole; you can just imagine the silliest plot you can come up with and then add some extra silly elements to it. so the point isn't to bitch about this woman whom i dislike. although of course i'm not above taking pot-shots. no. ::ahem:: the point is that before the rr collapsed and before the list started decaying, there were some very fascinating discussions--about kirk and spock, the series as a whole, the logistics of various things (like telepathic bonding, the pon farr, how they react to each other--), with some people who are wonderful additions to the genre.
ellen thinks k/s needs new blood. this has got me thinking. there are people who like k/s who have nothing to do with ASCEM and with reason--ASCEM is a dinosaur of a list, full of zine readers and people who produce reafs of bad paris/kim and such, and random discussions and trolls who people respond to. and most of its denizens are old.
okay, so, yes, k/s needs new blood, but i think there are people out there we could talk into it.
caribbeanblue, shadowleopard? and i think there are more. and then i'd make a new-list wishlist, because i think hope is not lost for a k/s list with interesting discussion. who would i want? judith gran, who doesn't write a lot but is invaluable in contributing to discussions. jat sapphire, who's fantastic at crushing trolls and the purveyors of stupid arguments and makes me giggle hysterically. miss sunbeam is witty and urbane and utterly, utterly charming. rae trail is funny and reasonable and a good, if not very prolific, writer.
there are some other people, i think.
mary ellen curtin is never around anymore, but she argues with the best of them. karmen ghia may have vanished, but she's a chekov shipper and that rocks. isla of hope and t'aeneli--who, i believe, are sort of involved in the printzine culture, along with jat sapphire--do not as far as i know, have a history of a lot of chatting on-list, but i'd be interested in their takes on these issues, just going from what i've read of their work. jane skazki contributed quite a bit to discussions.
i don't really know what i'm saying, except that k/s is really my pairing--my one true pairing, even--and that i don't want to see my interest in it die any more than i'd like to see it die for real, and i'd really like to do something about it.
i've just started a new story, anyway--ellen, i'd be delighted if you'd finish yours...
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Date: 28 Aug 2002 07:16 am (UTC)But, yeah, I like the idea of a good K/S fic-and-discussion list. I miss the good discussion that all the above-mentioned K/S'ers used to get into on ASCEML. I've almost given up on the list, but I don't want to give up on the fandom, or the pairing, any more than you do.
i don't really know what i'm saying, except that k/s is really my pairing--my one true pairing, even--and that i don't want to see my interest in it die any more than i'd like to see it die for real, and i'd really like to do something about it.
If you want to start up a new list, I'm there. (Are you thinking, elitest invitation-only list? I'm just thinking of who would probably be some of the first people to join an open-membership K/S list, and some of them are some of the people you just listed, but some of them are, um, not renowned for their contributions to interesting and analytical discussion.)
i've just started a new story, anyway--ellen, i'd be delighted if you'd finish yours...
...so would I. I just don't know when I'll get to it before spring; the "Riverside" sequel is the Trek story I'm itching to write at the moment, and I won't have time to work on that for at least a month, maybe two. But, yeah.
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Date: 28 Aug 2002 08:02 am (UTC)M