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[Poll #948913]

"The fact that my principal chose door #3 explains why I get called into his office so often," says my fake-big sister Lisa, who teaches English in rural Virginia. According to her, this isn't an isolated incident: there are many people in her town who worry about witches and who might be one.

She reacted to the principal's calling her into his office about whether she was a witch as you, I, and most sane people would probably be hard-pressed not to react: she laughed in his face. He was disapproving of this reaction, since he wanted to have a serious conversation. The end result was she had to modify how she taught The Crucible. What, exactly, was the cause of concern?

Her lesson plan included an interactive internet game in which her students were in a webquest which resulted in all of them being hung as witches, duplicating the manner of the Salem witch trials. Even though they've been taught explicitly how the witch trials worked, and also have read a book about them, her entire class were too stupid to come within miles of grasping the point of this exercise, and instead explained that her "glee" about the entire class being found to be witches meant that she was obviously a witch (since no one else would think hanging was funny).

Of course, this obviously means that the book has also missed its mark, and perhaps the school should look into requiring some alternative reading, such as Harold and the Purple Crayon.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daegaer.livejournal.com
Oh good God. Morons. Mind you, I've seen this attitude at work here too, with one particular course - they are incapable - incapable - of reading or listening to something as a method of getting information. Instead, everything they read or hear they think is an attempt to make them believe the speaker/author as being the one and only true version of whatever. I despair of them, they're so stupid. And they're all adults . . .

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
And it's not like they CAN stop teaching about the witch trials, alas. Virginia! HISTORY! The same reason we require To Kill a Mockingbird in Alabama. (Okay, granted, many people in my high school class failed to get TKAM too.)

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daegaer.livejournal.com
How does she not just kill them all? (If hanging's not allowed be funny, could she crush them under heavy weights? That would be educational).

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
I like drowning, myself.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com
What you describe is really interesting! I never knew. And thought I might be off the mark completely, it's hard from where I stand to NOT immediately think this relates to the way these people have probably been raised IN the Bible - I mean with people "witnessing" and preaching and hammering it as the one true thing over and over... in such a way that they can never distinguish between a text that exists to STATE A TRUTH and describe a reality (or a belief which WANTS to be adopted and spread) and a text that exists for other reasons..

Fascinating. wow. It gives me a lot to ponder.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daegaer.livejournal.com
I think you're exactly right. It can't be a coincidence that the sole class I have with a majority of evangelicals in it is the only class to act in this way (consistently, in over a decade of teaching this course).

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anglepoiselamp.livejournal.com
That was sort of the problem when the novel began to emerge as a dominant form of writing in Europe, in late 18th - early 19th century. People were used to thinking of texts as something that states a truth and needs to be literally adhered to, and they had trouble understanding the novel didn't work that way. Goethe's Die Leiden des jungen Werthers, for example, caused widespread moral panic because people were afraid young men would imitate Werther (which they did, in a wave of art-inspired suicides).

But it really, really, REALLY hurts my brain to think that Western civilization is still stuck on the same issue. *sigh*

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
I don't think that has to stem necessarily from the Bible, though. Many religions have sacred texts, and for that matter, I think failing to make this distinction - that is, abstraction and the ability to see stories as symbols - is probably the natural base state for stupid people. It's learning to do that abstraction that requires a certain step, and has to be taught. (Not that the Bible doesn't try, in fact - it was a popular way of teaching in the ancient world, wasn't it? Parables are a popular part of Bible study even now, or so I've been led to believe.)

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
Literal reading is also typical for small children and something they learn not to do as they get older, which I see as supporting the idea that it's natural.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com
You have a point.

To specify, I wasn't blaming the Bible as text, though, but pointing to a specific kind of reading and teaching it. Many religions have sacred texts posing as the revealed truth indeed, and most of them give way to a literal dangerous reading like that also.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
Yeah, that I will agree with. Religion definitely reinforces the problem, regardless of whether it is the original cause or just another symptom.

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Date: 20 Mar 2007 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daegaer.livejournal.com
Here's a current example of exactly this line of thought: I don't have religious belief in literary theory, so I don't want to use it in my postgrad English studies (http://community.livejournal.com/academics_anon/1308484.html).

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Date: 20 Mar 2007 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
"I don't like Shakespeare, so I don't want to mention him in my postgrad English thesis about Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead!"

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com
it would make me cry any other day, but i have a headache already and decided to be cheerful about this.

morons.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aeslis
Just when I thought I had knocked my head for the last time over the stupidity of the world, something new comes along to prove me wrong.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com
Ouch. The stupid, it burns.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kegom.livejournal.com
Ouch. >.<"

I really feel for her. People often comment on how my line of work (studying to become a special needs teacher for children with multible disabilities, in the meantime working with children who are refugees from other countries and/or from families with a history of abuse and neglect) must be really hard for a teacher - but really, personally I believe teachers like your sister have got a much harder job, because at least with my students, I will never have classes who are supposed to be halfway intelligent and yet turn out to be stupid like that. (Of course, I will probably also never have to teach more or less controversial stuff either, seeing as "Harold and the Purple Crayon" might actually be appropriate reading material for my students...)

I really hope she won't have any more classes of that sort!

Sadly, America is not the only country where that kind of thing might happen, though. I remember that when Michael Ende's "Der satanarchäolügenialkohöllische Wunschpunsch" ("The Night of Wishes: or, The Satanarchaeolidealcohellish Notion Potion" in English) was published in 1989 there were people here in Germany, including school principals, who wanted the book forbidden on the accounts that it dealt with witchcraft and satanism and had human villains and animal heroes... There are stupid, medieval-minded people everywhere.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anglepoiselamp.livejournal.com
Oh no, not Wunschpunsch! It was one of my most favourite books ever when I was a kid. I read it over and over again, and look, I didn't turn out a satanist! ...or did I? *cue eerie suspense music*

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
I'm sure it's an entirely typical level of stupidity for the class, it's just accusing her of being a witch that is out of the ordinary. My mother teaches middle school art as well, and for that matter, when she was a TA and master's student teaching art for elementary education undergraduates at the University of Alabama, her students weren't that much brighter.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
You've seen the thing about the award-winning YA novel that's being banned from the YA sections in libraries because it contains the word "scrotum", yeah?

I also had a fundamentalist Christian friend in middle school who was forbidden by his parents to read stories, watch movies/tv, or play video games which included any dragons (including, like, The Hobbit and the entire fantasy genre...) because they held that dragons are symbols of the devil.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixxers.livejournal.com
Holy shit. I had to read this twice because I thought it was a joke at first.

A witch.

Yes, right.

>.>

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
Yes, I thought she was joking too. Actually I thought she meant "witchhunt" in a metaphorical way.

Oh how I wish that were true. ;.;

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revulo.livejournal.com
*sigh*
This makes the native Virginian in me cry.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
I'd offer condolences, but AL is usually worse. I'm not actually a native, more like a naturalised immigrant yankee, but my college experience showed (to my chagrin) that I was assimilated enough to feel more at home in the South after all.

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookshop.livejournal.com

THIS STORY IS SO INSANE I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledixy.livejournal.com
I selected the second option just because you said bugfuck crazy!

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Date: 18 Mar 2007 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
Yeah, I thought that one would win a tiny percentage because it's sane, but slightly more respectful of the idiots in question...

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Date: 19 Mar 2007 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penm.livejournal.com
this makes me think of this incident yesterday, wherein jason (one of the guys i work with) took a lady's order and she said she ordered a soup but she didn't and he posted her receipt and showed her that she didn't order a soup, and she called him a liar so he started giving her attitude. not even outright attitude (he's very civil) but you could tell he was upset that she'd said that he lied.

so she called in today to complain to our manager and she was crying. it was absolutely ridiculous. she was crying. over a soup. this is a lady well advanced in years, i'd say late forties/early fifties, maybe.

this is kind of like that. absolutely ridiculous.

my head hurts now.

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Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cimness.livejournal.com
Hahhahaha. Yes, completely ridiculous but with less elements of a bunch of people acting as if there's nothing out of the ordinary about discussing magic as if it really exists... actually the lady sounds like my mom. She only yells at me, of course, not unsuspecting clerks at restaurants.

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