dammit, the other half of his soul had taken the last cookie again!

[cimorene]

cimness: omfg, this sentinel fic just had jim--a TOUGH AND MASCULINE POLICE OFFICER--call blair "the other half of his soul". are you kidding me?
hollsk: .....AHAHAHAHAHA

[wax_jism: that's totally normal for the sentinel, man.  that's why i wrote that brain-eating fic.]

cimness: it's totally CASUAL.  paraphrase: "he woke up, and was a little disappointed to find himself alone in bed.  he looked around for the other half of his soul, and found him in the shower."
cimness: WTF. i'm going to be mocking this for years.
cimness: "after he got done taking a shit, he went to wash his hands, calling through the door to the other half of his soul, 'you forgot to buy toilet paper AGAIN!'"
holls: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
cimness: "slamming the door behind him, he yelled into the kitchen at the other half of his soul, 'i got your fucking orange juice, are you happy now?'"

cim: if i were really good at keeping a straight face while being sarcastic i could call you "the other half of my soul" all the time.  [makes a bizarre face trying not to laugh]
wax: but you're not.  you're terrible at it.
cim: [cracks up]

holls: Post this on your LJ, I swear to god....
holls: "he was a little more than annoyed to see that the other half of his soul forgot to clean his stubble out of the sink."
holls: "he'd expected at least a quick fuck, but when the other half of his soul farted during the blowjob, he was quite frankly turned off"
cimness: "he would have slept better except for the other half of his soul's annoying tendency to hog the covers."
cimness: "he went to get the mail, absently noting that the other half of his soul had parked him in again."

Comments

[cimness.livejournal.com]

ummmmmmmmmmmm. i haven't watched it for years. but i've seen it plenty of times and i was never impressed by the spock/mccoy possibilities on my early viewings, nothing to make an impression. of course i see plenty of canonical foundation for respect and affection between them--i love that about the big three, how mccoy is kirk's best friend at first, and then it's like, they have him in common, or do they actually ally against him? and in the end kirk and spock end up with mccoy as this like, shared best friend and oh ♥. and you can always take platonic affection and write slash about it if you want to. i just refuse to acknowledge any especially slashy merit to it. plus, i think it's absolutely ridiculous in the face of, you know. the rest of canon.


i'm having this suspicion that the other half of his soul business has been going on for far longer than i at first suspected.

[morningfine]

Oh, no. I'm not saying the ep excludes all but slashy interpretations. What it does, to me, is shove the slashy interpretation in my face, going nyah-nyah and just making it very clear that yeah, though the K/S is overwhelming, I shouldn't maybe be so harsh with people who want to, um, explore other possibilities. Because what's going on in that one scene is a stereotypical lead-in to some serious fucking (though it wasn't all that stereotypical way back when) and hi, if I'm going to be this gung-ho about the amazingness of not-random slashy readings, yeah. (But what I said. Out of all of canon, it's so small an not to matter. And I do kind of want these people on some other Internets so I don't have to see them even if it makes me a bigot of some sort.)

I love the shared best friend thing! I love how Kirk and Spock have their own dynamic, and Kirk and McCoy have their own, as do McCoy and Spock, and the three of them together. I love how Kirk teases Spock about the strictly-logical thing in this gentle, amused way, like, he gets it. While with McCoy I'm always suspecting his way of thinking is ...I don't know, too black-and-white? And he gets exasperated because you'd have to be dimmer than McCoy to miss that Spock does have emotions, just--there's a difference to human experience of them or, something, but he doesn't really get that distinction and he's pushing all the time for pretty much the wrong thing. But there's also the respect and affection and best friends and ♥! (I'm sure I've articulated that better sometime but, you know, preaching to the choir, aren't I, so maybe I don't have to make it better.)

I have no idea if I just made any sense. Distracted, distracted.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

hmm, well. i have been known to be that open-minded in other fandoms.

and i don't have personal dislike for the guts of otp-breaking shippers in this fandom.

but i'm definitely of a pretty militant otping stripe. they can do whatever they want, but my low opinion of otp-breaking here is probably impervious to pretty much anything. i can't see myself ever granting it any real consideration--i'm completely uninterested as well as unconvinced.

as for your sense, it did sort of dissolve into soup in the middle. i probably lost a couple of sentences' worth. but i think i followed the rest okay, at least. as for emotions, i think it's more like spock's, like, political position--party line on emotions, and what they are, and what you should do with them, is different from the human norm--but i don't think his experience of them is inhuman. i think, in fact, we're given the half-human thing partially to make sure he's still accessible for viewers to identify with.

[morningfine]

You know, I might want to not do seven things while also trying to make sense. I was talking about this with someone on AIM and I might've lost track of what was supposed to go where. But it's okay.

Plus also, I'd sort of forgotten that if I wait long enough, this scene that was giving me so much pain is completely redeemed (McCoy: I know. I'm worried about Jim too.) at which point, well. Hooray for the OTPness of it all and if there are differing opinions, please don't call me.

political position--party line on emotions, and what they are, and what you should do with them, is different from the human norm

I like that! I wouldn't have thought to put it that way, but I get what you mean--it's certainly something I've considered on the level of I don't really know what I mean. Of unformed thoughts. I'd have to trace back the chain of non-logic but I think what I meant by 'experience' might be closer to what you say might than to what 'experience' really means. (Um. Greetings from the Michael Kors school of redefining the English language?) There was something about how you perceive feelings ("what they are, what you should do with them"), culturally speaking, affecting the actual experience of them, and that was a bit too Captain Obvious even for me.

I'm going to sprain my last two brain cells if I keep this up. For real. Ahahaha, I can feel my why-am-I-so-stupid emo coming on.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

ahahha, darling, your why-am-i-so-stupid emo is so hilarious! but really, don't sprain yourself.

one of the most annoying things about TOS slash fanon to me are the conceits that:

1. spock doesn't really have emotions. (how odd how he smiles. and frowns. and laughs. and gets revenge.)
2. spock has never actually felt his emotions before the slash story is set. (how odd how he smiles and jokes. and ditto the other stuff.)
3. spock does have emotions, but mccoy and/or kirk don't realise that he does, so you have conversations where they're like "omg! well you shouldn't have said you didn't have them then if you really did! it's almost like we're up against a cultural difference or something!" (how odd that we have conversations in canon, then, when they're like "are you actually trying to tell me that you didn't panic and respond emotionally" and "spock, you're so full of shit, you were about to make out with him right here in sickbay.")

if you belong to the very!stubbornly!socialconstructivist!school, i guess you would have to contend that how you describe emotions and your value-judgments about them would affect how you experience them. quite stubbornly, too. (i mean, god knows if you're going to say there isn't any actual reality...) and if you don't belong to that school, you know, it's probably more of a well, sure, obviously it affects them some, cause you know, the placebo effect, and zomg positive thinking helps cancer. and so on. and then there's this: if you think you're experiencing someting different inside your head all of a sudden, it's probably going to feel different, unless it's something like an icepick being driven into your temple.