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It's a funny experience to interrogate something about your personality or temperament as the direct result of a viral "relatable" post.

What (very often) happens to me is that a post in the "Relatable Sentiment" genre comes around like, say, "Kudos just aren't as good as comments but I'm still grateful for them because they're better than nothing," and then there will either a ton of emphatic agreement or worse, a string of eloquent and elaborate agreements.

Usually it's as I read through the agreements that I'll eventually start to wonder about what causes my preference and how rare it actually is (because I'm sure that Relatable posts by no means are composed only of near-universal experiences; by the nature of social networks, people who don't relate are far more likely to ignore them than to engage with them to disagree, not least because contradiction is always prone to being read as unwontedly argumentative or even angry and aggressive in text-only interaction).

(There are also lots of "Unpopular Opinion Time"-genre posts that contain what will strike many, or at least plenty, of people as an opinion that isn't at all controversial or unpopular, so the OPs in that case are likely influenced by memorable examples of the opposite opinion that they've experienced as more universal or popular than it is.)

Especially because positivity is so much more socially acceptable to express publicly, and because in many cases someone being a little more positive than they actually feel is a calculated choice that could be regarded as social engineering (philosophies like 'you catch more flies with honey') - and combined with the fact that one thing I can always be sure of is that I'm significantly less positive (critical, pessimistic, etc, but I certainly got chastised not to be so "negative" all the way back to early childhood) than most other people - it's difficult to guess just how genuine the positivity level is, or how dominant a positive opinion really is, and how much is due to exaggeration (and other people with more critical thoughts refraining from engaging).

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Date: 23 Jun 2019 01:22 pm (UTC)
yvannairie: :3 (Default)
From: [personal profile] yvannairie
Especially because positivity is so much more socially acceptable to express publicly.

I'm gonna chime in and say that this is highly cultural and context-dependent. The only space where I can definitely say this is true is Anglophone internet that is heavily informed by United States American attitudes and rhetoric, and where negativity is often relegated to anonymous spaces -- I've actually talked a lot about this with some of my friends who are more like you -- observant, critical, cautious -- and how the optimism that is forced on them is exhausting and makes it harder for them to process their emotions.

But as for myself, I've spent my whole life trying to get out of spaces that use "recreational negativity" as a bonding method because being immersed in negative attitudes, by virtue of having a brain with broken interest-regulation, I will get stuck with negative intrusive thoughts from the backround negativity radiation. Finnish culture does not take kindly to people being happy about things, if you're not able to say anything negative or at least critical about your circumstances, you're seen as either a liar or delusional.

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Date: 24 Jun 2019 03:04 am (UTC)
yvannairie: :3 (Default)
From: [personal profile] yvannairie
Now, alla that? I can fully get behind. The difference between mostly-female Anglophone internet and mostly-male Anglophone internet is one I know well, and I've struggled for literally years with accidentally ending up in relationships with English-speaking folks where I perceived the relationship as far more intimate than it actually was due to this very problem.

I still kind of feel like "the internet is for complaining" is more true than not, but that's prolly b/c I don't use services that don't allow for anonymity and fully autonomous interactions within the platform, so I get to see people let out the negativity they hide otherwise without social repercussions.

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Date: 23 Jun 2019 06:54 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
but

but

look if the only way to express appreciation for a fanwork was to leave a comment, probably everyone would get more comments than we do now, but no one would get nearly as many more comments as we currently get kudos

that's the point of this one-click appreciation delivery system

to make it easier to express our appreciation, so that more people do

is a single kudos as good as a single comment? no, not usually. depends on the comment. the more thought it's clear the commenter put in, the better the comment gets with respect to the kudos. but the more thought the commenter needs to put in to make the comment, the less likely it is they'll make the comment at all. one click is a lot easier than choosing one emoji, never mind a favorite line or an exploration of the thematic contrast of two bits or—

which is better, a single thoughtful comment, or x kudos for whatever value of x > 1? who the hell even knows?

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Date: 23 Jun 2019 09:24 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
I leave comments like that all the time. single-emoji comments are the same thing with a lil bit of emotional reaction included.

this is invariably on multi-chapter fics I kudosed before the latest chapter, or on rereads that guess what.

(except for the single-emoji comments, which I sometimes post two seconds after kudosing, because the simple button click isn't quite communicative enough.)

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Date: 23 Jun 2019 10:09 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
Nah, it's "I want to kudos this—wait, what do you mean I already did?"

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Date: 24 Jun 2019 12:39 pm (UTC)
viggorlijah: Klee (Default)
From: [personal profile] viggorlijah
I leave kudos if I've enjoyed the story, bookmark it if I really loved the story and a comment only if I have something specific to say in that moment. I've read stories I've left a comment on that meant far less to me than a bookmarked story. I'm lucky that I generally feel like once it's written, I'm fine having a story just *be* there because I wrote it mostly so I could read it.

Although the very best feedback is honestly recs - it's like overhead praise because it's not directed at you, it's one reader talking to another reader about your story. That's the high grade hit right there.

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