lotr-daisy kerfluffle update:

[cimorene]

daisy_gamgee posted this bit of doggerel, "on flames."

and i hate her icon too.

edit: a sample:

I can't control the ire.
I can't hold back the folks
who want to throw THoU in the fire.
I can control the story.
I can choose which lines to pitch.
I can say: If you don't like it,
just hit *delete*. Don't bitch
at me because you squick.

Comments

[thechaosdiva.livejournal.com]

i don't want to throw thou into the fire, just her.

we can do that, right? i thought so.

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Interesting. What, exactly, have I done to you, personally?

[thechaosdiva.livejournal.com]

you've insulted my friends and made them sick with guilt. your displaced anger towards them has kept me up for long nights consoling them, and your fanfic has made me come to hate the pairing of merry and pippin.

Re:

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

your comment here is rather odd. i only remember offending one person directly, , and have apologized to her; we've discussed it, she's accepted the apology, and moved on. this in no way effects you personally.

if your friends are "sick with guilt," as you say, perhaps there's a reason for it. i've discussed any anger i've felt toward that with my own friends, not with you or yours, which makes it officially none of your business. if you've experienced anything otherwise, you are projecting it.

you don't like my fic: don't read it. easy as that.

as i have in no way communicated to you...hunh. actually, i don't think you and i have ever communicated directly before this. interesting.

[thechaosdiva.livejournal.com]

well, while you may only remember affecting one person directly, you have offended more than one person, whether you realize it or not.

as for my friends being sick with guilt, it’s not over what they’ve said or done; they feel guilty because of how they’ve said it. they’re also wary of your fanbase. while it’s nice to see that thou has very loyal readers, those readers tend to fly off the handle at the drop of a hat. as the author, you should realize this. also, fanfics are going to receive bad reviews no matter what. we all know that going into the creative writing situation. i realize that you probably hadn’t received much criticism on thou before the whole thing blew up, but you’re a writer, you understand that criticisms are bound to come eventually.

and i don’t read your fic anymore. yes, i did read the first few chapters, but then i decided that it wasn’t for me, and i stopped reading it. however, thou is not that easy to ignore. people talk about it all the time, whether it be in a positive or negative context. once again, as the author, it is your responsibility to be respectful of other people’s opinions, whether you agree with them or not. and if you’re respectful to others, they’ll be that way towards you. come on, we’re both adults here. true, you’re 41 and I’m 19, and that’s a big age difference, but we can both act in a civilized manner, i know we can.

and no, we haven’t communicated before this. and it’s probably a good thing, seeing as how we don’t seem to have much in common. despite that, i wish you luck in your further creative writing endeavors. i’m sure that they will all turn out exactly as you want them to.

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

Ah, good, a reasonable response. thank you.

while i recognize that i have a fanbase: i don't control those folks, any more than i control any criticism that comes my way. i've asked a number of my friends to tone it down, and they have. if thou gets talked about a lot: honestly, do you expect me to think that's a bad thing? i put a lot of work into it, and if other people enjoy it, i'm pleased. even if no one read it, i'd still write it, because it pleases *me*.

i *have* gotten critism, quite a bit of it, and responded to it politely when it was presented politely. i've taken constructive critism into account, and it's made my writing better. but a not-really-anonymous flame from another writer of my acquaintance? come on. i wouldn't be human if that didn't upset me. i would hope adrienne, who also has deep feelings, would understand that as well. i'm sure she'll take that into account in the future.

i'm respectful of other folks who are respectful of me. that means that if you have a problem with me, you come to me. suggesting in someone else's lj (that i cruised across because some of my friends consider her a friend) that i be thrown into a fire seems a bit extreme, yes? because i wrote a silly poem during my freshman seminar? come on. let's all lighten up a bit.

i'm glad we had a chance to talk, even if we don't plan to be friends, because it seems that a lot of miscommunication and hot emotion is being thrown around with little attempt to meet in the middle. i appreciate your response, and wish you all the best.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

are you saying that in order to be anonymous, she should have, what--driven to another state so she would have a different IP address? because the only thing that was not-anonymous about it was that you FOUND OUT. she wasn't leaving hints or clues unless you count using a server located in the town where she lives.


i don't believe claire would throw you into a fire, if she met. my journal may be a publicly available forum, but she was addressing her comment to me. and while you may not know her... i do.

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

Hmmm. I see that you shan't get the point, so I shan't pursue it.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

your point is that there's a community of writers--fanfic queens, dare i say?--and you and adrienne are two of its members, and you know each other. you're on each other's friends lists, you have been known to read each other's fics. you're saying that in this little online courtly world there should be etiquette. you might expect impolite criticism from Some People, but not from foreign royalty. i understand perfectly.

you think that it was a violation not of miss manners-etiquette but of online-fandom-queen-etiquette for her to make her comments public and anonymous, and you were annoyed because you could sense a personal tinge to her post. you call it rude; i'd say she was very polite, but that some irritation showed through. you don't like feeling condescended to, and who does?

the pseudo-anonymous is just something you threw in there and you feel it's beside the point. i bring it out because in fact, a REAL breach of miss manners-etiquette DID occur when her ip address was traced.

more on the subject of miss manners! one of the things that happens at a court is that when someone is rude to you, or you think that they have been, you pretend not to have noticed as a sign of your good breeding. you put upstarts in their places by not falling to their respective levels. now, obviously you can't make certain that your fans do the same; you only control yourself. i think the rimshots about anonymity may be in the spirit of level-dropping. you'd be more graceful, and better-advised, to stop them.

Re:

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

as I said: i shan't pursue it.

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

Oh, lighten up.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

well, um. this is my journal, which you've not friended; i unfriended your closest friends at the start of all this with reason, and so did many of my closest friends; i stumbled on your post this morning in my /friendsfriends page. this post isn't aimed at you, but at my many friends who no longer keep up with lotr but are amused by kerfluffles. you can find 'kerfluffle' in my interests list.

i haven't been offended by the whole things since the first couple of days when, indeed, close mutual friends of mine and claire's were sick with guilt, not to mention distressed and pissed off with nothing to do about it.

now i'm amused.

perhaps you should look to reaching that state yourself?

[charlietudor.livejournal.com]

believe me, dear, i've been laughing for awhile now.

you may want to read my conversation with the chaos diva, above.

i found your entry in the same way you found mine. small world.