blahblah and a couple of icons

[cimorene]

so i have this icon community, iconsensual.  communities get less shiny over time.  herein lies mumbling which nobody but guinevere33 is enjoined to read, but feel free to chip in.   well, the idea was originally sexy icons and at first it was cool.  and in the first blush of coolness, a lot of cool things got posted that people liked even though they weren't, strictly speaking, in line with the mmmsex charter-idea-mission thingy of the community.  so over time, plebes joined because it was an open community.  bad icons grew more numerous, as did lame posts.  good artists left by the dozens.  the focus on sexiness went way down too.  recently i posted a poll to the community to try to see what people thought about that, and the result, as i recall, was wishy-washy:  that we should sorta start enforcing the sex element more, sorta be tough about it.  now the ratio of sexy icons is even lower, and the quality of icons is slightly higher again but mostly only because big icon producers with their own private personal communities are cross-posting to us and no doubt tens of other communities at the same time.  i've personally lost almost all interest in the community, and i also feel like it's become lacklustre and doesn't seem to have any purpose or function left (to the extent that i am still interested in icon-sharing, it's not so much in the sensual ones anymore.  i've been posting things myself that i should, as mod, have probably deleted).  perhaps starting to strictly enforce the sex-element would put it firmly back in its niche and make it worthwhile, but i'm not sure if that is even worth my time--trying to do that (without going out to ADVERTISE) would just as likely reduce the volume of posts to a little trickle and kill it off for good.  maybe just as well to kill it cold turkey and be done with it.  or to offer the modship of it to somebody else.  guinevere33, are you even still interested in running it?

i need to find a fandom icon community, which is what almost all of my icons are now.  oh um.  so i made myself icons from the cover art to the firefly comic books.  i'm [probably] going to use them both--but if anyone else wants to use one they are freeee

and two versions of river: +

Comments

[thelionforreal.livejournal.com]

man, iconsensual was awesome when you first launched it. we had some AWESOME icon sharing going on.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

yeah, it was fun when it was mostly populated by people oneko_briar and i knew, so it was actually kind of community-ish--that was probably the key. but of course people's interest in icon-making wanes too. but we had good people. and good times. *sniff*

[schonste.livejournal.com]

I totally know how you feel. Except with my icon community, there were NEVER any good icons, ha ha. But I really enjoyed iconsensual, and now, it is indeed kind of a less interesting place thanks to all the cross-posting and stuff.

I honestly don't think it's necessary for all these artists to be all "Come visit my icon journal". If they're worth posting on the community, why not put them on the community?

It's just an icon, and if someone "steals" it that doesn't hurt your pathetic soooul.

Speaking of icons, those are totally hot. I'd take one of the River ones just because it's so sexy but I don't know crap about Firefly so I don't think it'd stay long. ;x

[cimness.livejournal.com]

i think it's really irritating the way they do that actually--make another journal (why?) and then cross-post to a hundred places--which defeats the only purpose of an icon journal that i can think of, ie that the icon-takers come to you instead of vice-versa. plus it's making the community into less of a community and more their free advertising, which pisses me off.

[guinevere33.livejournal.com]

I think you're right - iconsensual is dead. It's down to one post every couple of days, most of which are just cross-posts with faux cut tags that lead to other icon journals. An ambitious publicity campaign in other icon journals plus stricter enforcement might rescue it, but I haven't got the time or attention span for that.

I say we (you? me?) make a post offering to transfer ownership of the community to a new mod - serious, committed offers only. If nobody promising volunteers, I say we delete it. My worst-case scenario for the comm is that a random LJer decides to take the helm just so it won't be deleted, then ignores the bad posts and lets it limp on for years in a bedraggled state.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

yeah--i'll go ahead and do it, get it out of the way.

[oneko-briar.livejournal.com]

DOOD. if you guys bail, i seriously have some viable time coming up.

i say switch the names around, put my email in, so you don't get any of it, and i'll take care of the rest.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

really? cause it seems like you get the internet but then you vanish again, sometimes without knowing in advance that you're going to, sometimes for a long time. maybe you should get someone else with mod powers in case. somebody volunteered a minute ago.

[oneko-briar.livejournal.com]

seems like you get the internet but then you vanish again, sometimes without knowing in advance that you're going to, sometimes for a long time.

:wince: see, you'd actually know more than than that anyone else, but my stuff for general LJ consumption might be, i don't even know.

i mean, it's either i get ill, or -newly i don't have internet access.

and when i said viable, i really meant today, monday, until next, when school starts.

i like what the suggesters had to say, i already know what i'm gonna do for starters.

see, with you it was like, one of your best friends. i don't really know anyone that's interested, let alone anyone i'm close to.

the bulk of the rules you came up with i think should stay from the get go, and on the profile.

the reason why i'm confident, even if i went through a month of my digestive system how much it's frakked, and a month of a really vicious flu after, is, well.

i don't know. but i'm confident.

i'm gonna think about recruiting a mod like you said, but if i have to, i'll do it with school and frak knows what else on the horizon, and i'll do it alone, and it will suck if somebody spams it and i'm not there 'til next week to delete the post and maybe ban the person but the rest of the comm will just have to deal.

because i'm working on the knowledge that i'm better now than two (gads, three?) years ago and will be able to handle whatever. heh, whenever.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

well, actually, someone who seems really good and intelligent responded to the post we put up in the community yesterday! and it's always better to have two people anyway, even if their internet access is fairly well guaranteed. she seemed willing but maybe a little intimidated so i'm sure she'd be happier to be one of two, also. jennifer's already started writing an email to her and we can give her your email, or your lj name, or something.

[oneko-briar.livejournal.com]

cool. like i said, i'm open.

"and it's always better to have two people anyway,"

that should pretty much be a standard of anything that needs modding, again i just wish i *knew* the person. it's not a prereq, just highly desirable.

i'd appreciate a forward of what she said, and what jennifer said, just so i'm not lost. then i guess i'll contact her from there, then i'll make a mod post about it after we talk.

thanks for everything. heh, and i've said it a couple of times so hopefully jennifer knows it too (she'll probably be reading this anyway) but i love what you've done with the place.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

i think jennifer hasn't emailed her yet, but she's going to give her your livejournal username and explain about you because we didn't think you'd be around when we made the original community post. maybe you'll become friends! i'm sure you'll want to talk about stuff anyway.

one of us will make a last post at the point when we de-mod ourselves too i'm sure.

[oneko-briar.livejournal.com]

"maybe you'll become friends!"

okay. nothing 'gainst that.

"i'm sure you'll want to talk about stuff anyway."

uhm, i think i'm a little confused (but it will clear and prolly doesn't need an explanation) 'cos i thought that's what i said?

"and explain about you"

again, i'd prefer introducing myself? as opposed to being explained about, and being approached about it. and knowing what was said so i know what was covered about the community, the context of how you think future modding will work, and stuff.

i wasn't sure before if you wanted to make a goodbye post, or if what you posted about wanting to delete it was the goodbye post, but that's cool. you'd probably both want to say something for the sake of imparting wisdom or whatever, hopefully.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

well, since what she thought she volunteered for was being the sole maintainer and she had asked what kind of stuff goes into modding the community and we were at the point of writing her a letter about that, we wanted to correct our misinformation to her since it's highly pertinent information, rather than have her no doubt kind of surprised by being contacted by you seemingly out of the blue.

[oneko-briar.livejournal.com]

everything else, yadda yadda, good sensical, whatever.

"we wanted to correct our misinformation to her since it's highly pertinent information,"

i have no idea what that is or could have been or why it was a big/pertinenty deal from the scan i just gave guin.'s comments.

"rather than have her no doubt kind of surprised by being contacted by you seemingly out of the blue."

uhh, fairly one-sentence explainable thing that shouldn't have been an issue? and kind of, well, the courtesy or thingy i was asking for on my end so i wasn't surprised. i'll iron things out.

i was gonna i guess sound off, too, on how, if i've replied fairly quickly to your emails, had a fairly recent entry, *said* i would be online that people who want to mod "thought" they'd be sole maintainers?

i mean, whatever, you posted in your journal so i guess you thought it should have been how i found out (that you would have deleted i. in one week. !!??) but there were fairly easy methods and i've made a point to stay available after i got online, and though i reiterated i'd *be* online *after* finding out it coulda been deleted it was either something that just wasn't considered (contacting me) which i still think is funny, which is also the wrong word.

but what i have to do next is clear, so that's cool.

it'll be good.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

i think it's pertinent to the whole situation for her that she's not going to have to take over all by her newbie lonesome. she thought she was--but she isn't. it makes a difference in her potential job description, is all. probably a very positive difference, but a difference nonetheless. in her situation i'd consider that part of the essential briefing package. and again just going by my sensibility, i thought it would be better, since she had e-mailed us asking what would be involved, that we replied and answered her question first thing.

and for the other, i'm really sorry if i offended you with that, but it just didn't occur to me that you still wanted anything to do with the community; it wasn't that i thought i couldn't contact you. jennifer and i both thought it was delete or find a volunteer, cause you haven't really been hands-on in running the community for years and we're both used to the uninvolvement.

ps. someone has commented (http://www.livejournal.com/community/iconsensual/643413.html?thread=4245845#t4245845) on the last two mod posts with a concern which seems to be a community rules kind of issue (she thinks posts should always credit photographers for the source images etc etc copyright issues etc lj terms of service). i pointed her to you and delta and advised her to wait until you'd settled in and done whatever you were going to do already to the rules and userinfo and she said she wasn't talking to the mods at all, but... seems to be a mod issue and so, there you go. your decision now.

[oneko-briar.livejournal.com]

re: par1: okay

"but it just didn't occur to me that you still wanted anything to do with the community"

yeah, that was offensive. i wasn't insulted, but offended, and as soon as i can i will probably look up the formal definitions of the words from multiple dictionaries.

"cause you haven't really been hands-on in running the community for years"

pretty much what i thought i'd signed up for when you said you wanted to take over.

i mean, i make mod-like comments at around three comments to three posts per year, or whatever, and my situation being what it was (online and off) that's pretty much all i expected to do and looking back i can't see anything wrong with having that mindset. it's not like being given a wrong impression, as being pretty sure you've got the right one. whatever. i mean, i already made the right assumption about your reasoning, it'd make sense on somebody else, too. i just don't necessarily think they make more sense actually getting a confirm than not.

"ps. someone has commented"

you pretty much replied to this while i replied to her, i think. no worries.

i'm just glad once i find an email provider that will be our email that will send stuff to both of us at the same time, i can reply to the dumcap that deleted her comment on the post that screens them anyway.

if you have any idea what i'm talking about.

[cimness.livejournal.com]

no, can't recall any screened-comments posts at the moment, but oh well, out of my hands now. good luck with working that email and stuff out and stuff! i'm about to remove jennifer and myself. i'll keep the community wallpaper at waxjism.org for a few weeks if you still want it/want that time.