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In Social Network RPF fandom, people have started using the term "Girlfriend-What-Girlfriend" to refer to the common crossfandom story type in which canon remains completely the same except that the BSOs (that's Beloved Slash Objects if anyone was confused) in focus no longer have real-life romantic attachments.

I've seen this abbreviated both GWG and GfWGf (I prefer the former).

My kneejerk reaction is "Of course!". We need a term for this, because this is a really common story type, on a par with PWP or UST. I'd love to see a world where this was a universal tag at AO3 and something that almost everyone in fandom tagged their bookmarks with on Delicious (or at least as much as they tagged them PWP or "preslash", which is sadly more common than "UST" even though they should really be using the latter).

And I've definitely never come across a quick and pithy term for this before. On the other hand, the SOs in question aren't always girlfriends. Off the top of my head, in fact, I'd be more likely to think of fandoms where it's used on wives (SPN RPS, for example). And the only reason it's not used more often on boyfriends/husbands is that I don't read a lot of het and there's a shocking dearth of canon gay characters to choose from. I've definitely seen it used for both Adam Lambert and Jack Harkness - Ianto-What-Ianto? - so it's obvious that in principle, the term should be gender-neutral.

A couple of things:

  1. Does anyone know the actual fandom origin of the term "Girlfriend-What-Girlfriend"? Or when it came about?

  2. Has anyone heard it before, or heard another concise term for the same thing in use elsewhere in fandom before?

  3. Can anyone think of something better to call it? ETA: [personal profile] cesare suggests NOSO (NoSO) for No Significant Others. Not as catchy, perhaps, but has an obvious advantage in clarity. Thoughts?

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Date: 25 Feb 2011 06:30 pm (UTC)
cesare: Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Zooey Deschanel in (500) Days of Summer (zo - in bed with jgl)
From: [personal profile] cesare
3. NOSO - No Significant Others. I mean, not great, but covers the angles and contains "NO" right there to give a big clue as to what it means.

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Date: 25 Feb 2011 06:57 pm (UTC)
torachan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] torachan
I like that!

I...I don't really like the idea of tagging 100+ stories on AO3 with whatever we decide this new tag should be, though. D: Oh, AO3? Y U NO HAVE MASS TAGGING OPTION? D:

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Date: 25 Feb 2011 07:03 pm (UTC)
cesare: A kitten with paws on his face saying omg. (kitten omg)
From: [personal profile] cesare
They don't? Surely it's coming... maybe you could wait to retag after the next code update... >_>

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Date: 25 Feb 2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
anatsuno: a women reads, skeptically (drawing by Kate Beaton) (Default)
From: [personal profile] anatsuno
SO-W-SO sucks, but I was about to propose SWS for it, all the same. It's unpronounceable though, and NOSO is so much better. :)

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Date: 25 Feb 2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
anatsuno: (thoughty)
From: [personal profile] anatsuno
I like it too! :)

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Date: 26 Feb 2011 01:02 am (UTC)
msilverstar: was particularly fun to use on tinkilters (bosom)
From: [personal profile] msilverstar
Works for me!

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Date: 28 Feb 2011 10:13 am (UTC)
sarken: leaves of mint against a worn wall (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarken
I like this a lot. It''s fun to say out loud, too.

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Date: 25 Feb 2011 07:22 pm (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
I was thinking SOWSO, much like [personal profile] cesare

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Date: 27 Feb 2011 11:09 pm (UTC)
calico: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calico
*like*

I prefer this to NOSO, actually.

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Date: 26 Feb 2011 01:03 am (UTC)
msilverstar: (they say)
From: [personal profile] msilverstar
This needs to exist, because it's too annoying to write (Orlando never married) every damn time.

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Date: 27 Feb 2011 08:09 am (UTC)
naraht: Moonrise over Earth (Default)
From: [personal profile] naraht
I would definitely find it handy to have a term for this sort of story so that I could avoid it.

NoSO sounds preferable given that it's gender neutral.

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Date: 1 Mar 2011 09:45 pm (UTC)
viridian_magpie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] viridian_magpie
Here via metafandom.

I don't know who came up with GWG, but it's probably based on PWP (Plot? What plot?*) - from which TWT (Timeline? What timeline?) was derived, too.


*aka Porn Without Plot


First time I've heard of GWG, but I like it. So no other suggestion.

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Date: 2 Mar 2011 05:18 am (UTC)
torachan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] torachan
Yeah, in Harry Potter fandom, EWE (epilogue? What epilogue?) is also in common usage.

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Date: 13 Mar 2011 02:36 pm (UTC)
trcunning: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trcunning
And Smallville has Rift? What Rift? for fic where Lex and Clark stay buddies.

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Date: 2 Mar 2011 04:16 am (UTC)
amadi: A bouquet of dark purple roses (Default)
From: [personal profile] amadi
I've spoken, just within my circle, of my tendency to HTW (handwave the wives) or EIPP (everybody is pleasantly poly) to explain why my characters are free to pursue their fic relationships. I do like NoSO to go along with EIPP, though. And EIPP probably needs a better naming.

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Date: 2 Mar 2011 04:10 pm (UTC)
dejla: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dejla
Well, it would certainly let me know what stories to avoid.

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Date: 3 Mar 2011 05:25 am (UTC)
jaaaarne: Photo of a seagull in flight, with slight motion blur. (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaaaarne
Well, it's just like with the rest of warnings, isn't it? :) It's really sad that some people still choose to argue it when asked for warnings. Things is, it's always a helpful road sign, be it a NOSO tag, a BDSM tag, a non-con tag or anything else. Those who need to get to this destination can see the sign and take their turn. Those who need to get to other destination will see the sign and drive on. :) Could be very helpful, IMO.

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Date: 6 Mar 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
anatsuno: a women reads, skeptically (drawing by Kate Beaton) (Default)
From: [personal profile] anatsuno
this is why they don't need to be called warnings, too, and why labels/notes works very well. Warning isn't value neutral, which can be problematic.

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Date: 6 Mar 2011 03:09 pm (UTC)
jaaaarne: Photo of a seagull in flight, with slight motion blur. (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaaaarne
That's why I usually call them tags. :) And I'm convinced that the more descriptive tags we have, the better. I used "warnings" this time to make it clear to which types of fandom discussions I was referring.

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Date: 5 Mar 2011 12:48 pm (UTC)
greedy_dancer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greedy_dancer
This is such a forehead-slapping, epiphany-inducing moment for me! OF COURSE!!

It would be very helpful!

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