mcu fandom post endgame

[cimorene]

Are there any compelling reasons why MCU fandom going forward shouldn't just move into 2012 where Loki has escaped with the Tesseract, Hydra thinks that Steve is Hydra and is probably about to unmask themselves early, and Steve has been tipped off that Bucky is still alive?

By my count this situation is an improvement for pretty much every ship, so. That's where I'd like to hang out.

I actually did read one story that I really liked by Annie D, but these are all obviously pretty large plot threads... it's like we've got all the open space of 2013 Avengers fandom but with extra information about what to fix and what can happen.

Comments

[yvannairie]

Yeeeeeeeees.

I mean, it's become a lowkey meme among my friends that "somewhere it's still 2012 and all the Avengers have their own floors in Avengers Tower".

[starfish]

This morning I was thinking I want to go back to just after Winter Soldier, when everything is possible, and Steve & Sam are looking for Bucky ... that's my happy place. But I do like your idea quite a bit.

[cimorene]

Well, I suppose something like that is still fully able to occur in this new universe. Although probably sooner, since 2012 Steve has been told that Bucky's out there and Hydra is primed to reveal themselves to him.

[princessofgeeks]

I love this idea and I hope that there develops a consensus tag for it on AO3 so that I can be sure to search for that tag!!!!!

What a great AU canon opened up for fanfic writers.

[cimorene]

Yes, I really hope that tag comes about too! Fandom is occasionally quite good at these sorts of labels, so fingers crossed...

[lazaefair]

I love it, and also hate it, because it’s no less a paradox than 2014 Thanos getting dusted in 2023 and never returning to 2014. Ah, timey wimey.

[sciatrix]

Yeah, I've been seeing a fair bit of "oh, it's clear that time travel produces new timelines" but you can travel back without apparently changing dimension or timestream, so uh, sorry, that clearly isn't it either. Stupid paradoxes.

I choose to just not think about it too hard, tbh.

[lazaefair]

I mean, given that Endgame hangs a lampshade on the absurdity and impossibility of time travel storylines in the movie itself...

[cimorene]

I mean, it's the changes they make that produce the new timestream in the past in the MCU model, so they land in their own pasts but by changing things they produce a new divergent timestream with a different future. They're trying to sort of borrow from the idea of infinite quantum realities where choices create alternate timelines except it's the changes that are consequences of the time travel specifically which produce the split. When they arrive, they're still in their own pasts, but once they alter things the future is bound to play out differently and that is what creates the divergent timeline.

[cimorene]

I mean it doesn't make SENSE exactly, but they are pretty clear about telling us that what their Pym particles do is let them go back in time along their own past and when they do that, the changes they make produce a new divergent timeline but that when they travel back they travel back to their own present timeline, so every trip back in time has already essentially landed in an AU. The fact that you can't alter your own past this way was the first thing they told us about it and they made sure to repeat it.

[laurenthemself]

As long as we can occasionally visit the part where Thor: Ragnarok at least partly happened so I can have Thor and Bruce together and Loki as the Grandmaster's twink? I just want some of that glorious rainbow sparkle mess in my life. For me it's the Oz to the Kansas that was, like Civil War. Also I'd like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

Basically I want to cherry-pick this the way some Christians cherry-pick the Bible for their favourite bits.

[cimorene]

Well, you can always just hop over into the other timeline for a visit of course. And Ragnarok CAN still happen with Loki on the run in 2012 with the Tesseract. It's not unlikely for them to reunite when Odin dies.