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cimorene...I haven't hunted it down yet; I just saw the announcement on Wax's Twitter feed.
In all fairness, I have to say I didn't have high hopes for this show in advance because I've been disappointed in every new Star Trek venture in recent years. I'm glad they're making them, but they aren't leaning in the directions of what I like about Star Trek, and in addition to that they've taken a looser approach to contradicting existing canon and characterization than I can really understand and sympathize with (because you could always just NOT do that and then it would all make a lot more sense... but I'm not going to write that post because it's obviously not for me). And more importantly, perhaps, their wardrobe and makeup design have been deeply disappointing to me because for the most part, alien makeup design aside, they've been modern-day trendy/sexy/pretty in a way that not only doesn't make logical sense in the verse of the show... but also isn't hokey and silly in an entertaining and interesting way.
Anyway, though, every new show that comes along will presumably have to hire some new writers, so there's always a new chance that I'll like it. I suppose hoping for better costume design when they've got a multi-show thing going right now would have been pointless anyway: they're bound to stick to the same philosophy that's already going in Discovery.
Right. What was I saying? Oh, yeah.
Somewhat uniquely, now, we have the original Star Trek pilot "The Cage" and the later recut two-part episode "The Menagerie" in TOS canon showing flashbacks to Pike's bridge with Number One and Spock serving on it, and we see Number One (and also Yeoman Colt) wearing the exact same uniforms as Pike and Spock - knee boots, capri pants, gold velour tunic shirts with shawl collars. There aren't any skorts in the original pilot; those came later (after the studio made Roddenberry remove Majel Barrett from her position of authority and reduce the number of women on the bridge). The uniforms weren't gendered, and they looked great, so I can't help thinking it's an ominous sign that the teaser image shows Pike and Spock wearing standard TOS-era uniforms and Number One apparently in some sort of dress or tunic with princess seams and black side panels that thus outline the point of the breast on both sides. Is there even a shred of a legitimate reason for this? I cynically doubt it. Of course, it's possible that I'm just being overly suspicious, but then... it's been so disappointing before.
Honestly, I'm not sure if I have the emotional energy to try to watch this when it comes out. I wasn't emotionally prepared to attempt to watch Picard when Wax wanted to see it (with her lower emotional investment in TNG, but also she just works completely differently from me and she always wants to see something new even if she knows it's going to suck, and also she has an appetite to watch like what feels like 150 hours or so of tv per week), and I ended up seeing the second half or so over her shoulder while she watched it. I think I watched... about 30-40% of the last few eps before deciding I didn't want to see the rest.
And of course, I hated the first season of the She-Ra reboot so much it took me like a year just to calm down enough to finish watching it, and I eventually formally gave myself permission to not watch the remaining seasons. (I was more fundamentally emotionally tied to She-Ra than to Star Trek, though. She-Ra was definitional for my tiny identity and fannish life from like, age 5 to... 8 or so? While my interest in TNG was strongest, probably, as a preteen. Though I did already like it as a kid. I definitely remember that when we finally found a convention to go to in the South, age... 11 or 10?... my primary mission, apart from books, was to get a Troi action figure, followed by a Data, and then a Picard.)
In all fairness, I have to say I didn't have high hopes for this show in advance because I've been disappointed in every new Star Trek venture in recent years. I'm glad they're making them, but they aren't leaning in the directions of what I like about Star Trek, and in addition to that they've taken a looser approach to contradicting existing canon and characterization than I can really understand and sympathize with (because you could always just NOT do that and then it would all make a lot more sense... but I'm not going to write that post because it's obviously not for me). And more importantly, perhaps, their wardrobe and makeup design have been deeply disappointing to me because for the most part, alien makeup design aside, they've been modern-day trendy/sexy/pretty in a way that not only doesn't make logical sense in the verse of the show... but also isn't hokey and silly in an entertaining and interesting way.
Anyway, though, every new show that comes along will presumably have to hire some new writers, so there's always a new chance that I'll like it. I suppose hoping for better costume design when they've got a multi-show thing going right now would have been pointless anyway: they're bound to stick to the same philosophy that's already going in Discovery.
Right. What was I saying? Oh, yeah.
Somewhat uniquely, now, we have the original Star Trek pilot "The Cage" and the later recut two-part episode "The Menagerie" in TOS canon showing flashbacks to Pike's bridge with Number One and Spock serving on it, and we see Number One (and also Yeoman Colt) wearing the exact same uniforms as Pike and Spock - knee boots, capri pants, gold velour tunic shirts with shawl collars. There aren't any skorts in the original pilot; those came later (after the studio made Roddenberry remove Majel Barrett from her position of authority and reduce the number of women on the bridge). The uniforms weren't gendered, and they looked great, so I can't help thinking it's an ominous sign that the teaser image shows Pike and Spock wearing standard TOS-era uniforms and Number One apparently in some sort of dress or tunic with princess seams and black side panels that thus outline the point of the breast on both sides. Is there even a shred of a legitimate reason for this? I cynically doubt it. Of course, it's possible that I'm just being overly suspicious, but then... it's been so disappointing before.
Honestly, I'm not sure if I have the emotional energy to try to watch this when it comes out. I wasn't emotionally prepared to attempt to watch Picard when Wax wanted to see it (with her lower emotional investment in TNG, but also she just works completely differently from me and she always wants to see something new even if she knows it's going to suck, and also she has an appetite to watch like what feels like 150 hours or so of tv per week), and I ended up seeing the second half or so over her shoulder while she watched it. I think I watched... about 30-40% of the last few eps before deciding I didn't want to see the rest.
And of course, I hated the first season of the She-Ra reboot so much it took me like a year just to calm down enough to finish watching it, and I eventually formally gave myself permission to not watch the remaining seasons. (I was more fundamentally emotionally tied to She-Ra than to Star Trek, though. She-Ra was definitional for my tiny identity and fannish life from like, age 5 to... 8 or so? While my interest in TNG was strongest, probably, as a preteen. Though I did already like it as a kid. I definitely remember that when we finally found a convention to go to in the South, age... 11 or 10?... my primary mission, apart from books, was to get a Troi action figure, followed by a Data, and then a Picard.)
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Date: 4 Apr 2022 05:53 pm (UTC)I can grok the concept of the Klingon redesign. I didn't necessarily like all that they DID with the Klingon plot in Discovery, but they already had a glaring dysjunction in canon wrt the Klingons and their change of appearance between TOS and TNG. That's a great example of a a prime candidate for spackling, and I think they did come up with a suitably bold plan there - it had to be a pretty momentous event to feel right for a change like that. I'm still not convinced giving the Klingons a THIRD redesigned alien look was the right way to start off there though. Aaaaand also then it kinda felt like they dropped the thread (perhaps out of absent-mindedness, because when I stopped watching it seemed like they had laid out too many large-scale and dramatic arcs at once and couldn't keep track of them all, and then on top of that the tone was all over the place).
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Date: 4 Apr 2022 06:04 pm (UTC)I haven't watched Discovery but I felt like Enterprise did a pretty good job in it's last season tying up the Klingon look loose end. Then every time anyone else wants to work with Klingons they decide that they need to redesign them. No, you don't. Have them with or without the lobsters on their heads but please stop figuring out *NEW* looks for them, please.
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