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Okay, here's the rest of those Due South bookmarks I recently saved. I eventually ran out, so this is tragically fewer than ten. For some reason, ten seems like a good number of recs to post at a time to me.

Due South, F/K (6) )

So to make up the difference, here's four new Star Wars bookmarks, Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan, which was what I started reading next.

Star Wars, Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan (4) )

The way that happened was that after I ran out of Smallville, and then Deep Space Nine, and then Due South, I started trying to think of what other fandoms I read about the same time that might be useful to revisit. But I recently went back through Highlander (which I read for much of 2004-2005), and I've reread SGA (which appeared in 2005) much more recently than the others. I originally read Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan (then TPM), in contrast, in... 2002, maybe, or maybe 2001? And I have revisited the fandom in the past, but I think the last time was probably pre-2011, so it was the longest gap I could come up with. There's a whole new era of this pairing now informed by all the new Disney-Star Wars canon, even though, rather amusingly, one of the principal characters was already dead before Attack of the Clones. The Master Apprentice archive, which was where I initially read the pairing, has also now been imported to AO3, so there's both new and old to browse side by side.
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No guarantees about the age of the works in question. Although some of them are comparatively new, anyway.

Due South, Fraser/Kowalski (5) )

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Garak/Bashir (5) )
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For a while I was following the reading regimen described in this entry, which is what led to my recent post about awkward moments in revisiting past fandoms. I read Smallville for a while too; I just ran out of it before the others and was reduced to just DS9 and DS. A couple of days ago I ran out of DS9 as well. I'm pretty sure that a lot of this is due to a lower percentage of early works in Smallville and DS9 having been imported to AO3 over the years. I'm not saying I would necessarily have enjoyed rereading them all or wanted to bookmark them, but I do feel like I didn't see all the ones I've read in the pre-AO3 era. So there's only a couple of Smallville bookmarks, but I have a bunch of the others. This is just a first batch.

smallville (2) )

star trek: deep space nine (5) )

due south (5) )
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Last week we watched the new Dungeons and Dragons movie, which was a pretty fun time although I wouldn't say I loved it, and I remembered that I saw people were writing fanfic for it, so I checked that out. There's not really all that much of it yet; it's not taking off with a bang the way summer movie fandoms sometimes do.

I realized through browsing this fic more, though, and mulling it over, that Regé-Jean Page's heroic paladin side character was the best character as well at the most funny and engaging part of the plot, and that his character's VERY SPECIFIC schtick is... kind of the same as Fraser's (due South): an impossibly, perfectly altruistic and impossibly, perfectly beautiful hero dedicated to helping any and everyone... who is also incredibly literal at all times.

This latter characteristic is a popular type of humor with robots, aliens, etc, eg Spock or Data, but I can't think of any previous examples besides Fraser where it was combined with the Too Perfect Handsome Hero type eg Steve Rogers or Clark Kent (another source of narrative tension and humor on its own, since you get a constant stream of 'Is this guy real?' reactions). Part of the deal with a perfect hero's comedy is that the narrative bends around them because they have sorta been parachuted in from another genre - like legend or folk tale - in which it's nearly impossible for them to lose. You get a lot of comedy mileage from this with the people around them, ie the Rays or the questing party in this new movie, but it does make the character kinda overpowered, from a Dungeon Master perspective. In other words, I conjecture that he couldn't be in more of the film because the writers wanted more uncertainty about the outcome.
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This fandom seems like a perfect example to me of that situation where people like the woman in a f/m relationship - I'd bet that probably everybody who ships the protagonist with Nightingale instead (or in addition but not in OT3, as in... will read both/either) likes her - but are more interested in the other ship because of (1) interest in the other character (and a desire to put that character in a pairing) and (2) screentime and story weight devoted to the relationship.

The narrator Peter's partner Beverley is cool, well-written, significant to the story in various ways; but the focus of the stories is learning magic and solving crimes and the teacher-coworker character necessarily has a more important role in that. Because everything about Nightingale as a character is pretty much cool and mysterious (which doesn't even cover all of his appeal), the protagonist's positive relationship with him is also very interesting.

There has been a certain impulse in fanon to pair Nightingale up elsewhere, which I think is a reflection of how fascinating he is. But it's much easier to be interested in a relationship between two well-known characters, and the series doesn't have many characters left over that he could be paired with. The pool of secondary characters is limited and the amount we know about them is already enough lower to make them substantially less appealing (and for many people less easy) to write about.

In short, I... kind of think this is a character people are dying to pair up - often referred to as a Fan Favorite - Draco in HP, Dean in Supernatural, Fraser in Due South, etc. Fan favorites are sometimes main characters, sometimes not.

  • In Supernatural, for example, it's often remarked that a portion of the interest in the original Sam/Dean incest ship was likely due to all the attention the relationship got and its being foregrounded in a show that lacked other emotionally compelling relationships - and that the season 4 introduction of Castiel had all the appearance of being specifically designed to draw shipping focus to Dean/Castiel instead.


  • In the case of Loki, there are significant bodies of fanfiction and fanon pairing him with several other MCU characters (aside from the obvious, Thor) with whom he has had minimal interaction (and his status as a fan favorite character, and Hiddleston's as a fan favorite actor, are certainly undeniable...).


The introducton of Castiel to SPN and of Ray Kowalski to DS are both examples where the new (and seemingly more optimized for slashy storyline) character paired with the fan favorite took over as the dominant ship in the fandom relatively quickly after their introduction.

Loki, like Nightingale, is an example of a fan favorite who is paired with the only character with whom they have a complicated, interesting, important canon relationship with a lot of data to sink your teeth into.

Basically, if a new character was introduced to the series canon who was unattached, male, and, er, seemingly more optimized for a slashy storyline with him, I bet such a ship for Nightingale could really take off.

It wouldn't divert all the shipping interest from Nightingale and Peter, because their friendship does already have a lot to interest (and also, Always Slash Mentor and Pupil Pairs is one of the iron laws of slash); and part of the attraction of the ship is the mystique of Nightingale seen through Peter's eyes: the reader identifies with Peter, the newcomer to Nightingale's magical world, and through him admires both the magical world itself and Nightingale's character, his power and expert knowledge of magic, etc. A pairing that didn't capture that frisson of danger and excitement and the underlying poignancy and pathos - in other words, a character from Nightingale's world or more his equal - wouldn't be as compelling a pairing prospect.
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[livejournal.com profile] penknife explains fic headers with praiseworthy, exhaustive thoroughness (you could give an exam on headers with this post as the text) and a dash of wit in Headers, or the only way we have to judge a book by its cover, making it a worthwhile read for all from the utter newbie to the bitter old fandom queen who never neglects her headers at all and just wants to enjoy the snark.

For some reason, people often seem inspired to write things in the Author's Note field like "I decided to write Bob/Ted even though I think Bob/Ted shippers are dumb and all the other Bob/Ted stories I've ever read suck" when posting to a Bob/Ted community. Don't be that person.


You know, I've often wanted to say something like that, but I've never managed it so concisely. Don't be that person, guys. Even though the urge is often strong, no good can come of it!

That quote reminds me of the Insulting A/N's close cousin, the Backhanded Feedback. Which brings to mind that somewhere I was reading lately, someone was talking about Don't Be That Guy in the context of how "I enjoyed your Bob/Ted story even though I think Bob/Ted shippers are dumb and Bob/Ted is inherently inclined to be sucky" is not the great complimentary fb you might have thought it was. I'm pretty sure it was in the context of the Due South wank (aka Ray Wars iteration #1,600,042: Yes We're Still At It, What Is This Fandom History of Which You Speak?1) accompanied with flounce that was at Fandom Wank last week or so. Can't remember the precise context or the exchange, though, just that it's the first time I've seen anyone respond to it with "Hey, I totally leave feedback like that all the time and it's really a compliment".


1. No, I'm not making this up. Yes, they really are still at it. See?
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Slashiness vs Writing Quality Scatterplot #1
(Big version here)


Please click for the bigger version. This is based on data taken from two polls performed by [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine, with the data in my tables taken out on 22 Feb 2009.

This plot follows the same format as my earlier graph here, which, of course, did not have any Science behind it, only me squinting at the screen and placing the dots by the seat of my pants. I've reversed the axes in this one, however, so that better-written canons are at the top of the graph and gayer ones to the right this time. I prefer placing slashiness and quality on the two axes so that there's one data point per show and one show per data point, which lets the interaction be more easily seen.

(ETA: The clearest example of skewing I see on the plot is Highlander. LOTR might be skewed, too, by people's childhood memories or something, I guess. But Highlander? Look at it! IT HAS THE SAME QUALITY SCORE AS SGA. I'm pretty sure that it's not just my personal... weirdness, or whatever, that wants to ROFL at that. SGA is bad, but it's not that bad.)


It should be noted that mean is only one measure of central tendency and, at these sample sizes - which is to say they're all rather small but they vary from fandom to fandom - it's important to look at the others as well. To that end, here is the table I used to generate the graph:


(big version here)


Median and mode (ie, the most popular rating) are just as interesting as mean in their own ways. Scanning down the standard deviation columns, a few of those numbers will jump out as extremely large, representing a much higher degree of disagreement on the rating in question: the slashiness of Supernatural (no surprise where the primary pairing is incest) and the quality of Merlin (I'm kind of at a loss for this one but there it is), for example.

It's well worth checking out the results in the two posts of [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine's where I took the data because you can easily see the bell curves for some questions, and distinguish others where the distribution shows much higher or lower consensus. (The Science of Slashiness & Moar Science!)
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Damn, the new NCIS was good. And not only good, either - I mean, it was partly good acting, and it was partly better writing than usual, because it was really sparkling, and Michael whassname is really good at - you know, impressions, and being a bit of a goof, and comic timing - so I'm sure they wrote the ep for him, just to let him shine, as it were. But anyway, my point is that it wasn't just better written than usual, it was more gay than usual. Like, okay. In graph form,



NCIS is usually about as gay as Highlander, which is to say, amusingly gay, but not necessarily anything that your typical non-gay, non-slash-goggles-wearer would even pick up on; the realm of repeated humourous subtext, but without the intense focus on interpersonal relations, in a bromance way, that you find in Star Trek and the other higher-up shows on the graph (there are plenty of other shows, too, obviously, I just picked big fandoms that spring immediately to mind as benchmarks). It spikes occasionally, especially in s6, with spoilers ), but those spikes have heretofore, due to characterisation and camerawork (ie no lovingly lingering shots of the eyefucking, more like you have to notice it happening is a comic aside when the plot is focussed elsewhere), been still mostly at sub-Star Trek levels. Last night's episode was firmly up above Star Trek gayness levels, although still under Due South (it's hard to get as gay as riding off into the sunset together) - more like The Sentinel (other shows at TS's level of gayness: Merlin, Starsky & Hutch from what I have observed).

I keep refreshing my delicious subscriptions looking for episode tags because I'm too lazy to try to write one myself, but you could totally put a really awesome Gibbs/Dinozzo FT fic either directly after the events of the ep, or shortly after like a few days or weeks. Even though my personal canon places that earlier this season.

ETA: If you haven't seen it, go participate in [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine's Scientific Poll on the subject!http://thefourthvine.livejournal.com/98874.html#cutid1 & http://thefourthvine.livejournal.com/99145.html#cutid1
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For me, an important part of absorbing any canon is creating a personal canon of spackles and slash to fill in the gaps around it. Of course, I might read or even write first-times set anywhere in it, but there's always something that I really believe in, like: I believe in Fraser/Ray K at the end of "Call of the Wild", and in Kirk/Spock after "Amok Time", and in Holmes/Watson after The Return, and in Garak/Bashir not before the end of the entire series. I believe in Nick/Greg, if you want to talk about my current shows, either after or very shortly before "Grave Danger". (Which isn't to say that I always believe in my fictional OTPs, or even in pairings I like.)

So watching a show for the first time is interesting. After SWAK, and then a few times during season 3 of NCIS, I could almost believe in established Gibbs/DiNozzo. Not that I subscribe to the view of an emotionally abusive Gibbs who practically attacks Tony's confidence with hot pokers - but he did warm up a little, gradually. There was the episode where Tony was framed, especially. Wow, that one stood out for me. And I liked to read the UST there as conscious on Gibbs's side, if not, er, un-U (I mean, est rel already). But moving on to season 4, we have that whole Amnesia Thing. Not so much the amnesia itself as the Mexico Thing, I think, make it impossible for me to believe in a first time before that point. I mean, I've read some stories like that, but Gibbs's motivation just doesn't seem internally consistent through the s4 premiere to me that way if he knows about a romantic (or sexual, as long as there's warmth and affection in it - and look, okay, there is) relationship. So I could only buy it if his amnesia had totally hidden the entire thing from him, but I don't buy that either. Still a little fuzzy, maybe, but there was also that entire weird conversation between Ducky and Dr. Who Looks Like a Smaller Sean Bean about how amnesia just doesn't work like that and it must be, in fact, just emotional repression~. Not that I actually know anything about that - not a neuroscientist or a psychologist or anything - but I find the idea of it lasting that long, but only partially, too hard to swallow.
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+fraser has to drive so he can obey the posted speed limit laws and swerve for squirrels, and refuse to drink (coffee) while driving because he wants to devote all his attention to the road.

+the moss and the trees in northern ontario make it look like you've spilled either a box of reese's pieces (and some green?) or a bunch of paint on the ground. yellow and green and red moss! and white lichen. and thrusting through, these great rose quartz-veined ridges of stone.

+obviously, fraser picks up trash. ray would naturally spot a bottle floating in the snapping turtle lake and refrain from telling fraser, who would jump in after it anyway.

+the canadian idea of high security is to put an AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY sign on the (wide open) gates of the wildlife preserve/nuclear power plant/museum/crown jewels.

+everything is in french too. and this will never stop being funny to an american. ('he's a tourist.')

+road signs have funky checkerboard patterns around the edges.

+people keep the canadian flag flying after it's so ragged your dad wouldn't wear it if it were underwear.
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new due south goodness by [livejournal.com profile] bethbethbeth.
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ohh a otp survey. for those interested only mildly, just the questions, gacked from [livejournal.com profile] leyenn but invented by [livejournal.com profile] sloaneywoney and publicized here:

Your OTP/OT3:
Why:
Canon (books) or Fanon (films):
Popularity Level in the Fandom at Large: [my edit: and what fandom would that be?]
Your Favorite OTP Fic (yours) and why:
Your Favorite OTP Fic (someone else's) and why:
OTP Quote/Movie Lines:
Favorite OTP Moment:
What Pisses You Off About Your OTP:
Line that Describes Your OTP: [my remark: umm, this may be a little too, well, twee.]
Song that Defines your OTP, and let's See Them Lyrics: [and likewise.]

and, my lovely darlings, i have three otps in three separate fandoms. let's go through them in order of importance, shall we?

kirk/spock )

fraser/kowalski )

chris kirkpatrick/justin timberlake )

also, some secondary otps. ie, they don't devour my world but i won't stomach them paired with other people:

(lotr) frodo/sam, merry/pippin, and legolas/gimli; (lotr rps) viggorli, dom/lijah; (star wars) qui/obi

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